On 5/28/2010 10:10 PM, Mike Fedyk wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David Boles <dgboles@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote: >>> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, we aren't talking about desktop vs netbook vs server but I guess >>>> it's immaterial. >>> >>> Uh, good point. Sorry. More like Ubuntu vs Kubuntu etc. Mm. Please >>> excuse my momentary burst of idiocy ... >> >> >> SHUT UP! >> >> None of you was here when this was talked about? Since October? And now >> you want to bitch becasue the site does NOT fit YOUR needs. REALLY! >> >> All of you (three? four? of you are unhappy and have attacked and >> insulted the person that tried really hard to provide this site. >> >> SHUT UP! >> >> All of you have spent more effort and time bitching about this than you >> did to help this person with this. >> >> Where were you four people the *MONTHS* that this was debated? And *NOW* >> you want to bitch? >> >> You are joking? The Earth obits the Sun. Linux orbits and survives on >> the work of the many. not you few. Those that bitch. >> > > Let's see here. There are a *lot* of different communities around > each component that can affect you. > > A short list of what a browser depends upon: w3c, gecko/webkit, > qt/gtk, xlib/xcb, xorg, gcc, glibc, linux kernel. Are you subscribed > to all of those lists and monitor them? > > One of them broke your browser. > > You say "We put out notices *months ago* and now you're complaining?" > > Well so can any of the communities mentioned above. At least by what > you are stating here. > > So please count to 10, or maybe 20 and realize that there are many > circles of people outside and within fedora that don't watch all other > parts of the whole. It just wouldn't scale that way. > > My recommendation is after the designer SIG has hashed it over, > attempt getting feedback from the intended audience, and that audience > is the users list and then the general public. > > === Off topic: > > My personal view is that torrents should be the first option > presented, and direct downloads from http or ftp should be moved to a > secondary page. > > === Off topic2: > > IMO, introducing another operating system at the same time as > introducing open source applications is a mistake. People are already > changing habits enough by using a new app, adding another set of > possible complications leads to the high probability that the app will > get a negative association if something goes wrong. > > For this reason I've been watching for a OSS distro based on MS > Windows that includes package management, updates, etc. Its sole > purpose would be to build a critical mass of OSS app usage and > findability (if a user knows about firefox, how are they going to know > about inkscape, gimp and OOo?) so that people will easily be able to > install the apps and then realize that every app they use is OSS, why > keep around Windows? > > Let's face it, right now keeping even OSS 10 apps, working together, > updated and integrated is a major task in of itself right now on > windows. > > Disclaimer: I have no love for windows, but making life easier for > people just starting with the apps can only grow the pool of OSS users > and developers. > > === Off topic3: > > torrent download should be integrated into the update system (yum) > with a fallback for when torrents fail -- if torrents are blocked by > corporate firewalls for instance. And what you said was well said. And you did it WITHOUT attacking anyone! How refreshing! :-) << that smile means that I am smiling. Honest to goodness. My whole point here is that we can ALL get along WITHOUT attacking one another. Understand? I took the devils place in this to prove a point. NONE of this is life-or-death stuff. Really? Yeah! Really. Are you HAPPY with the page? Say so. UNHAPPY? Say so. But be nice about it. Suggestions and not insults. Examples and not crap. I am sure that help and suggestions and examples would be welcome. After a lot of time, effort, and work expended a kick in the groin does not get smilies. Can't we all be friends with different ideas and different thoughts but still working towards a common goal here? What is wrong with that? -- David
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