Alan wrote: : Part of it is "force of habit". I have been compiling the drivers like : that for so long, for me it "just works". I understand that very well! : (But then again, I have also : modified xorg.conf configs by hand as well, back when you had to.) I still do. It's the only way I know of understanding what's going on. Indeed, I have an abiding dislike for most GUIs, at least for subsystems I care about, like X. They entirely hide what they are doing and I'm in the dark hoping the man-behind-the-curtain doesn't make a mistake and barf all over my config files. Force of habit from my Mandrake days, whose GUIs were mostly rubbish. I also boot into runlevel 3 and then startx. :-) Dean