Somebody in the thread at some point said: > # iwlist wlan0 scan > ... i can see! i can see! ... > > > does this look reasonable? at this point, i assume i would go into Yes it looks fine, but you are not associated to any AP. This is the wired ethernet equivalent of not having a cable plugged in. You can try to force association by hand if you like iwconfig wlan0 ap 11:22:33:44:55:66 <--- AP MAC or go on with your plan to do the same thing the official way... > network admin and configure wlan0 for the SSID, channel and so on, > yes? Well, give system-config-network a try, I have had variable luck with that recognizing the wireless interface as well. This is why I am focused on doing it all on the commandline. -Andy