the final configuration -- after messing with "modprobe" and blacklisting the bcm43xx module, i started the NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatch services and rebooted, to see this (eth0 is the wired interface, of course): # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:25:35:4D:61 inet addr:192.168.1.114 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::203:25ff:fe35:4d61/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:209 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:15177 (14.8 KiB) TX bytes:38644 (37.7 KiB) Interrupt:20 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:11273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:11273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:88407696 (84.3 MiB) TX bytes:88407696 (84.3 MiB) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:A5:5C:CA:D0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) wmaster0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-14-A5-5C-CA-D0-08-1F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) # iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wmaster0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sit0 no wireless extensions. # iwlist wlan0 scan ... i can see! i can see! ... does this look reasonable? at this point, i assume i would go into network admin and configure wlan0 for the SSID, channel and so on, yes? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ========================================================================