Somebody in the thread at some point said: > is there anything else that would be worth examining and recording > before going any further? i like making a record of stuff like this > so i can compare what changes. If you're on WPA, you might also be interested to capture the default /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf /etc/sysconfig/wpa_supplicant The sysconfig one is particularly insane by default. -Andy