On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 19:18 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 18:39 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > Right now I'm going to have rant: > > > > I'm seriously pissed off at this SELinux. As near as I can see it does > > bugger all, but when it stuffs up or gets in the way it does a right > > royal job of it! > > > > Now that thats out of the way, I installed the drivers and software > > nicely supplied by Samsung (unified linux drivers for mfp) which can > > only be installed by root. Root can't print- and is stopped by > > SELinux, and users can't print because the cups setup is root. > > Shouldn't this be simpler? Any thoughts on what I can do here? > > Well, I don't have a Samsung printer, but I can say that printing does > work with other printers. SELinux stopping something from working > points the finger squarely at that thing (those particular drivers) for > doing something that they shouldn't be doing. Whether that be design > flaw, or a fault with how you've tried to install them. > > You haven't posted the error messages from SELinux. You haven't said > precisely what drivers you've installed, nor where from. Nor how you > installed them. > > SELinux has had its faults, but it's generally software doing things it > shouldn't that is the real problem. Do you really want software that > does stupid things, or software that's written properly? > > Given that bad software becomes a real showstopper with SELinux is does > force the software to get fixed up, more than other influences. > > i.e. In the past, disgruntled users might report that software works in > a bad manner, and programmers may ignore it because the software does > still work. Now it's the software works properly or it doesn't work, > and they're faced with having to fix it. Telling victims to turn off > their protective software gets the drubbing it deserves. Ok, (we're going off the point a little here) so you're about tell a manufacturer who is willing to cooperate with OSS and provide drivers to shove it where the sun don't shine because of a system which for all purposes that I can see here does squat? We want manufacturers to cooperate to get people away from the shit made by M$ which causes us a lot of grief by being zombified and attacking linux systems, choking networks and systems, etc. Making life difficult for them is not a good thing...