Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 19:18 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 18:39 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Right now I'm going to have rant:
I'm seriously pissed off at this SELinux. As near as I can see it does
bugger all, but when it stuffs up or gets in the way it does a right
royal job of it!
Now that thats out of the way, I installed the drivers and software
nicely supplied by Samsung (unified linux drivers for mfp) which can
only be installed by root. Root can't print- and is stopped by
SELinux, and users can't print because the cups setup is root.
Shouldn't this be simpler? Any thoughts on what I can do here?
Well, I don't have a Samsung printer, but I can say that printing does
work with other printers. SELinux stopping something from working
points the finger squarely at that thing (those particular drivers) for
doing something that they shouldn't be doing. Whether that be design
flaw, or a fault with how you've tried to install them.
You haven't posted the error messages from SELinux. You haven't said
precisely what drivers you've installed, nor where from. Nor how you
installed them.
SELinux has had its faults, but it's generally software doing things it
shouldn't that is the real problem. Do you really want software that
does stupid things, or software that's written properly?
Given that bad software becomes a real showstopper with SELinux is does
force the software to get fixed up, more than other influences.
i.e. In the past, disgruntled users might report that software works in
a bad manner, and programmers may ignore it because the software does
still work. Now it's the software works properly or it doesn't work,
and they're faced with having to fix it. Telling victims to turn off
their protective software gets the drubbing it deserves.
Ok, (we're going off the point a little here) so you're about tell a
manufacturer who is willing to cooperate with OSS and provide drivers to
shove it where the sun don't shine because of a system which for all
purposes that I can see here does squat?
If you think SELinux is pointless then turn it off and unleash a virus
on your system.
I thought so...
We want manufacturers to cooperate to get people away from the shit made
by M$ which causes us a lot of grief by being zombified and attacking
linux systems, choking networks and systems, etc. Making life difficult
for them is not a good thing...
Letting them get away with propagating the same crap on Linux isn't
going to benefit Linux in the long run. Don't be so short sighted.
Max
