On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 18:20 -0700, David Boles wrote: > on 6/22/2007 5:54 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 16:16 -0700, David Boles wrote: > >> on 6/22/2007 3:50 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > >>> I know that. It's still a bug, and your claim that Karl is > >>> hallucinating is still incorrect. And gnome-volume-manager is obviously > >>> not gnome-volume-control (though Karl still seems confused on that > >>> point). There is no package called gnome-volume-control, but there is a > >>> program called gnome-volume-control and it's in the package gnome-media. > >>> And nothing in my message or the message I replied to made any reference > >>> whatsoever to gnome-volume-manager. > >> > >> You are correct sir in all that you say. And as I have tried to explain to > >> Karl I don't have the problem that you two have. Never have had it. Works > >> today. I am checking and un-checking and moving the sliders as I type > >> this, well when I stop typing this, and the music that is playing starts > >> and stops and the volume rises and falls as I do. > >> > >> The last real problem I have had with Linux was getting a 'Zip Drive' to > >> work. And that was a long, long time ago. Probably seven or eight years > >> ago. Maybe I'm just lucky? Or don't have any strange hardware? > > > > Or something. So Karl and I have different hardware and similar > > problems, but another machine I have at home with FC6 and a SB Live! > > shows a normal volume control. I'm going to install F7 on that this > > weekend, so we'll see. And the latest incarnation of the volume control > > on my laptop actually did let me set the mic level enough to be able to > > Skype. > > > > It's just kind of unhelpful to suggest (as you seemed to) that just > > because you don't have the problem, it doesn't exist. There are more > > combinations of hardware and software and versions in heaven and earth > > than are dreamt of in your philosophy. > > I never said that just because I did not have this problem that it does > not exist. This, fedora-usrs, is a list were people come with problems. So I believe the term you used was PEBKAC. > what would you expect here. People writing and saying - Great job - no > problems here? People do, occasionally. I have, myself. But you're right, generally people start new threads because they are seeking confirmation of or help with a problem. > > Here is a page with some numbers for you to look at in a free moment. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics > > If you look at them it will see that the number is much greater that the > two of you. > > This is what the development branch, Rawhide, does. Changes, enhancements, > new features, new versions do not always, usually don't work actually, > work right at first. The test releases that Fedora produces are to try and > ring out the final problems. Fresh installs of a system can do that. That > is if enough people try. Does it work? Surprisingly well. But there is > always someone, somewhere, with some device or piece of hardware that > seems to fail. Not everything works out-of-the-box for all. But I do > think that the people that work on Fedora do a very good job at it. > > It would help a lot if users would actually read the Release Notes, the > FAQ's and the known problems with solutions information *before* they just > install. Honestly and truly. Think about that. Sure. In F7's case, nothing there about gstreamer or volume controls. > > No one ever, that I can recall, said that they would not help. > > BTW - You should tell Karl that he needs to fix is Bugzilla report. It is > aimed at the wrong package. The maintainer ot the 'wrong package' will > tell him eventually but it would be brought to the attention of the > correct person more quickly. I did, and he has. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs
