on 6/22/2007 3:42 PM, Karl Larsen wrote: > David Boles wrote: >> on 6/22/2007 2:50 PM, Karl Larsen wrote: >> >>> David Boles wrote: >>> >>>> on 6/22/2007 1:29 PM, Karl Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> David Boles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> on 6/22/2007 5:04 AM, Karl Larsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> David Boles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> on 6/21/2007 7:23 PM, Tim wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 12:59 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have either F7 or F6 with all the updates you will have a >>>>>>>>>> Volume Control that is broken. When you click it up if your in the Alsa >>>>>>>>>> mixer mode you on the right side a Microphone listed on the Playback >>>>>>>>>> tab. This is wrong and if you look at the device below the Mike it shows >>>>>>>>>> a speaker! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To use this bad system first turn up the Master and Master Mono to >>>>>>>>>> the top and set Mike to the top. Now click File and select the TriTech >>>>>>>>>> OSS Mixer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Firstly, that "TriTech" bit only refers to your hardware. People with >>>>>>>>> different sound hardware will see something different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Second, make a damn bugzilla report. We've all heard the same story >>>>>>>>> from you several times, this week. We know about it by now, you're not >>>>>>>>> doing anything constructive about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Karl - Please read this and listen. I am not writing this to be mean or >>>>>>>> insulting in any way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have had FC-3, FC-4, FC-5, FC6, and FC-7 all installed one after the >>>>>>>> other. At the same time I have always had rawhide (the development branch >>>>>>>> of Fedora) installed too. And my mixers/volume controls have all worked >>>>>>>> just fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I really think that your problems are either your hardware or Pebkac. >>>>>>>> Really. And if I had to bet I would bet on Pebkac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi and first I have no idea what Pebkac is. I will try the man >>>>>>> pages. Second, the problem is NOT my hardware. This same hardware works >>>>>>> just fine if you don't upgrade the gstream software on FC6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally it is not just my problem. There have been many on this list >>>>>>> say they see the same thing on F7. What your complaining about was an >>>>>>> effort I made to tell those using the Volume Control how to do it. And >>>>>>> yes most people have just one sound card. That being said how I wonder >>>>>>> do you adjust the mike gain? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Pebkac - _p_roblem _e_xists _b_etween _k_eyboard _a_nd _c_omputer. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> It means that you don't know, don't understand, or both, what you are >>>>>> doing. Which can be dangerous to your installation. You are using what is >>>>>> called the 'shotgun' method. What does that mean? Think about using a >>>>>> shotgun to try to kill a single housefly buzzing around your living room. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can understand you frustrations. Truly. >>>>>> >>>>>> And Gnome-Volume-Control, as you have been told by several people, has >>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with audio volume. What does that mean? that you >>>>>> are trying to solve your problem but twiddling with the wrong package. >>>>>> >>>>>> From what you are describing you are looking at a KDE GUI audio mixer >>>>>> application. And that I can not help you with because I do not use KDE. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> David. In several cases I have called it the Gnome Volume Control. I >>>>> have today filed a bug. We do not need to beat this old horse again. It >>>>> is being worked on. >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Well in that case I wish you luck. I use GNOME as my desktop and do not >>>> have KDE, or any other desktop installed. All I can tell is that mine >>>> works. The red 'X's you mentioned switch on and off with a single, simple >>>> mouse click. And setting them on or off affects if the device they control >>>> works or doesn't work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Well David don't keep us in suspense, what version of Fedora and did >>> you apply all upgrades? >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >> You really want to know? Sure. It, what you are having problems with, has >> worked, for me, with FC-4, FC-5, FC-6, and Fedora 7. All the release >> installs and with all the updates applied as they were released. >> >> It also works, again for me, in Rawhide. Rawhide is the development >> branch that eventually turns into the next release version. Rawhide >> updates daily, Several 100 megs daily is a normal update for Rawhide. >> Sometimes more. Sometimes less. It varies. Normal is four kernels a week >> as an example. >> >> > Well that's a good story. Please let me be one who doesn't believe > you. This is because there are now 3 people working on the bug I wrote > today! I doubt that those working on the bugs are more stupid than you? > > As for me, a simple PHD in EE in 1958, I have no idea how to fix > this problem. But playing with rawhide strikes me as not a good idea. > > Karl > You asked and I politely answered your question. I also said that I have not had the problem, never did, that you are having. And you called me a liar. Have a nice day. -- David
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