Am Mittwoch, den 07.06.2006, 08:05 +0200 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 07:17 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 06.06.2006, 23:43 +0200 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 17:42 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > > I've seen very little evidence of > > > > anyone else reading it anyway. > > > Yes, the FESCo Gods in their incomprehensible wisdom had decided they > > > wanted a separate list, now they've got what wanted: Basically a list > > > archive, nobody reads. > > <nitpicking>The List archive of fedora-extras-commits-list goes back up > > to "2004-November". FESCo was founded on the first FudCon iirc on "18 > > February 2005" and the first Meeting-Summary is from "24 February 2005" > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meetings > > </nitpicking> > > SCNR ;-) > The list archive, yes, but the decision to split out commit-mails from > fedora-extras list had been taken and proposed by you (IIRC, it was you > THL or Warren). I think you accidentally confuse things. commit-mails were always send to commits list. Warren proposed to have a separate list for the "Bugzilla-Spam" for reviews. That was accepted by FESCo some months ago and the list is "fedora-package-review@xxxxxxxxxx". > This decisions of yours has caused fedora-commit list to degrade to a > list-archive feed, apparently not being read. [...] The only thing we changed for "fedora-commits-list" since it was created was to change the "Reply-To" to fedora-extras-list. > > > I told them before, but they refused to listen ;) > > Ranting appreciated, but helping working out something that works better > > much preferred; FESCo has a long todo-list already and really needs a > > bit more help. > As I said then: maintainers should obliged to subscribe to fedora-commit-list. I'd say it won't make much of a difference. People will set up a filter to /dev/null to get rid of it if they don't want it (I know some that did). [...] > An alternative way would be to merge it with an > fedora-extras-maintainers-list. > > Or putting it differently: If you want to improve QA, I don't see an > alternative to making reading all commits mandatory.[...] How do you want do enforce that people actually read the mails? You can't. [...] > > But > > we're already short of reviewers and sponsors for extras and have a long > > list of packages still under review so this probably will fail due do a > > lack of time/interest/manpower. > ... agreed, I doubt this will work out. > Instead, I'd suggest to implement maintainer teams/task forces and > groups of maintainers. Write a proposal, send it to fedora-extras-list for comments. If FESCo and most people on the list agree we'll go for it. CU thl
