On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 08:15 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 06:33, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > An outsider would almost think that fedora management really > doesn't want it to be a usable product that might compete > with some other distribution. I'm a future VMware Certified Professional (should be in about a month) and a lead for my company in the Virtualization space. As someone also fairly active in the Fedora community, I'm inclined to think the *best* mix that satisfies everyone's needs here is to see if VMware would be willing to put together and support a FC5T2 and later VM. Anyone care to submit a sample VM to VMware and see if they bite? See the VMware Virtual Machine Center http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/ for details. There's a Red Hat VM there now, as well as 2 FC4 VMs (minimal install with and without selinux) and a number of VMs for other distros and OSes available in their "Community" section. They also use Ubuntu as a base for their free VMware Browser appliance. What's interesting is that the *source* for the VM is available (a.k.a. the Ubuntu CD and all of the components). The VM itself is most certainly proprietary though (by Raul's definition) since it can only be played using the VMware Player. Now this does bring a new issue to mind - because something GPL is being distributed inside a proprietary piece of technology, is the whole now a derivative product, thus making the virtualization technology also subject to the GPL? In other words, does distributing a Linux distro in a VM force you to also distribute the VM as GPL? I don't believe this to be the case - but it could be a grey area... Cheers, Chris -- ====================== "Never murder a man when he's busy committing suicide." -- Woodrow Wilson