On 03/22/2011 12:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > That, alas, all depends on the devs and their attitude. I use the Pan > newsreader. The dev is a member of the support mailing list and listens > to the concerns of the users. Sometimes it's not practical for him to > change something, but when that happens, he explains why. He also makes > it clear that if you're able to work up a patch that does what you want > he'll be glad to look at it and fold it in if it doesn't cause other > problems. Alas, he's pretty burned out on the project and looking to > pass the torch. Well, no one wants to be burned out! That's the problem! I can't imagine how Lennart Poettering has any sanity left, after all the pulseaudio+systemd flaming he's had to endure as a result of pushing the software envelope. Others need to step up and help with support. I try to do that with gThumb, by following various forums and bugzillas. My code quality is embarrassing compared to that of the main gThumb developer, but my support, triaging, and documentation efforts are superior. FOSS only moves ahead if people volunteer and make things happen, rather than just complain... > Compare that to the Gnome devs who avoid the help forum > for their project like the plague, I was totally unaware of those forums. (You mean http://gnomesupport.org/forums/, right?) Better to regard those as self-help forums, rather than expecting/demanding developer support. Your expectations of support from developers who you've never paid a cent to are a little unreasonable. (Some of the devs are paid by others, like RH. A good portion are unpaid volunteers. Keep that in mind.) Again, please don't take this as an attack. Take it as an invitation to get more involved with the projects that interest you! There are lots of ways for people to contribute, even if they can't provide patches. - Mike -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines