Well, with the confetti guns at the ready, I tried FC13, no dice. Boot options were: ide=nodma noapic acpi=off ignore_loglevel initcall_debug It quit at the same point it has been lately, which is giving me garbage on screen like my image posted yesterday, and ata3 times out, same error as yesterday. By now I have tried: FC14 & FC13 First CD install FC13 First CD install FC14 CD netinst FC14 & FC13 DVD install FC14 & FC13 DVD Live CD-Drive (at least 3 different ones) DVD-Drive (two different ones) Different IDE cables Nothing, it seems stuck at either 'waiting for the cows to come home' or it goes past it but then fails with ata3 timeouts which eventually bombs. I'm not willing to continue trying older versions. So, I'm giving up. CentOS boot disk worked, install worked, the system is up and running and stable, so far. It will remain like that till the day the hardware fails completely and I push the thing off of the back dock. Thank you everyone who tried helping. While there's been no solution to the problem, I'm glad for the help and learned that things don't always work. And when they don't, move on to something that will. In this case, CentOS won the battle. Oh, and that sharp piece of metal that left a nice gash in the palm of my hand while swapping drives for the umpteen times. The machine can now claim to have my DNA on it. Tomorrow is another day, and possibly another battle. Hopefully one with a much better outcome. Ashley -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines