This is an F14 box with all the latest patches It has an nVidia GeForce 8400 GS video card It had been running the proprietary nVidia driver from rpmfusion About two weeks ago, after some updates which unfortunately I didn't take note of, X would no longer start (long story) Things I've tried: I removed the nVidia driver and de-blacklisted nouveau in grub.conf and verified that it was now loading with lsmod - and that nVidia and none of its parts were still trying to load Deleted xorg.conf Tried switching desktop manager from KDE to Gnome Tried booting to an earlier kernel Googled endlessly and tried various other things from those searches - too numerous to remember now Looked at the messages, Xorg.0.log, and boot.log files but could find no smoking gun Right now, if I boot into runlevel 3 and run startx I get some brief activity - the screen goes black, then flashes the blue splash screen momentarily, then returns4 to the command prompt = the messages returned say little as to why it failed I can boot from a live Fedora 14 CD and the machine comes up fine and the display works I actually suspect this may be a mouse issue - I seem to remember such a solution to a similar problem, though I can't seem to find it with google so far - why I suspect this is because the display does work on boot, displaying the first splash screen with the option to choose/edit the kernel - then the progress indicating blue bar at the bottom of the screen; the screen does attempt to display the login screen for a brief instant when I run startx; at no time does the mouse cursor appear - I seem to remember that it would be available even when booting into runlevel 3 when it was working correctly (am I recalling that right?) ideas on what to try next welcome - I'll post any log excerpts anyone thinks could be useful -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines