Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Mark Haney <mhaney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:40:07 -0500 >>> Mark Haney wrote: >>> >>>> If I get one that makes sense, then I might shut up >>>> about this, otherwise, to me NM is just re-inventing the wheel to no >>>> purpose. >>> It isn't merely reinventing the wheel, it is replacing the wheel with >>> some utterly incompatible object that sometimes serves a wheel-like >>> function while not actually working with anything that previously >>> used wheels without extensive mods to all the former users of wheels. >>> And, while, they were at it, they also provide absolutely no >>> documentation about how to use the new wheel-like functionality >>> then claim anyone who can't get it to work is just a whiner. >>> >> No kidding. Let me give just one more example. I installed F10 on >> another laptop (mine). It's a Compaq Dual core AMD X2 with 8GB RAM. A >> fresh install. I booted into it after the install (and setting up my >> network info (wired). Logged in as myself. > > > If you believe that this is something common, you really have no > respect for the Fedora developers. I've installed Fedora 9/10 on > several different machines now, and I have never needed to do more > than plug in an ethernet cable to get wired working. I do have respect for the developers. And yes it seems to be something common when I have 5 systems have the problem. All different hardware, laptops, desktops, servers. And I have never had trouble with wired networking either until F10. I've been a linux geek for 13 or 14 years now (Slackware 3 anyone?) and I've never seen anything like this before. I do not think this is a problem caused by the Fedora guys. I've been nothing but the biggest fan of RH/Fedora my entire career. It started out that way because they were local (I live in NC.) but I realized they do damn good work. This is just a silly implementation change that didn't need to be made. IMO. Initiating an interface on log in? Why? I still have yet to see any reasonable explanation. Not that I expect to get one. > > So please have more respect for the Fedora developers and > NetworkManager developers on this public forum. These guys have > provided me with too much good software for me to standby have people > needlessly disrespect their work. > > I have plenty of respect for ALL developers. As I said above the Fedora group do damn good work. And, I believe the /intent/ to make a good all around networking implementation is there in the NM devs. I just think it's a silly way to do it. That's not disrespect, that's just a disagreement. Please, take your moral high ground elsewhere. I am not a sheep just waiting for the devs to spoon feed me with whatever they want. If I don't like something, I'm vocal about it. I do file bug reports, as many as I can feasibly handle. The rest I deal with until it's fixed or I find a different way of doing it. That's the beauty of open source. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
