On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 10:19 -0600, David R. Wilson wrote: > Thanks, > > I didn't go looking for grub documentation, that is helpful. > > Since some of the boxes I administer are servers and dedicated to one > task or another I have mostly defeated NetworkManager. I understand the > logic for it, I just find it evil more often than not. Modifying > startup scripts has been easier for me. ---- here's the thing... many experienced Linux users are so accustomed to becoming superuser for every thing that efforts to empower userland and lessen the need to become superuser seem to be of little value to them. Granted - for servers, there is little point to NetworkManager because it's raison d'être is to serve userland and there is no real userland for servers. My understanding is that if you install from 'Live CD' or if you choose DHCP for network configuration when installing from DVD, NetworkManager is enabled, otherwise, it is not enabled. That seems to be very reasonable logic from my standpoint but I can see that those who just race/clickthrough the install figuring that they'll fix things after first boot will get some surprises. What I personally object to is knowing how much effort that some of the developers have put into NetworkManager, that just calling it lame/evil from the cheap seats does it a great disservice. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines