On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Kam Leo wrote: > > 2008/2/25 Mikkel L. Ellertson <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > >> Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Kam Leo <kam.leo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>>> You are nit-picking. Most users want kernel security updates. Those > >> >> who have special requirements, e.g. only one particular version works > >> >> with their setup, will disable updating the kernel. > >> > > >> > There are users who aren't aware that kernel updates can stop their > >> > vmware, vitualbox and other apps that use custom compiled kernel > >> > modules... I know that you can argue that users should know that > >> > breaks and what doesn't break their apps, but still a finer grained > >> > updates would be nice. > >> > > >> > I also think that OpenSuse has some think like this "install only > >> > updates that don't require a restart" (I don't use OpenSuse regulary > >> > so I can't be absolute sure) and Mint Linux has even updates grained > >> > with numbers 1-5, 5 being updates that are potentially dangerous to > >> > break some functionality you have now (like kernels and graphics > >> > drivers). So you can apply only updates with 3 and lower number and > >> > only when you choose do the other "more dangerous" updates. > >> > > >> > Do you see this as a nonsense or something that fedora would benefit from? > >> > > >> Well, unless you change things, you are presented with a list of the > >> packages that will be installed, removed, and updated. I guess if > >> you blindly accept the list, you could run into problems. You also > >> have the option of telling Yum not to consider packages for update. > >> In any case, if the new kernel breaks things, you always have the > >> current running kernel to fall back on. So you can try the new > >> kernel if you want, and if it breaks things for you, go back to the > >> old one. > >> > >> Mikkel > > > > With Fedora you have another kernel to fall back on. For openSUSE the > > old/running kernel is removed and only the new kernel package remains. > > If things don't work after rebooting you need to boot using safe mode > > settings; and, if that fails, dig out the install/rescue CD/DVD. > > Perhaps that's why openSUSE issues fewer kernel updates than Fedora. > > > > FWIW, I downloaded openSUSE just to give it a whirl. It has a very nice > install process with nice screens and is fairly easy to follow. By default > it creates partitions for / and /home as well as swap and does not use LVM. > > As the install completes it offers to run online updates. > > Too bad that after all of that it left the / partition 100% full and there > was no easy way to increase the size of /. With LVM it would have been a > snap. Oh well, I suppose all distros have their warts. Will have to try > installing again sometime. Still would like to experience their kernel > update process. If I'm not mistaken this partitioning scheme is new for 10.3. Default for older releases had / and /home sharing the same partition like Fedora before LVM. Hope they fix it for 10.4.
