On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 19:54 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Monday 18 February 2008 14:53, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 19:01 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > On Friday 15 February 2008 20:32, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:09 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > On Friday 15 February 2008 02:35, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 22:13 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday 14 February 2008 18:01, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 22:43 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 13 February 2008 21:34, Frank Chiulli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nigel, > > > > > > > > > > I have a Sound Blaster Live! Value. This is an older > > > > > > > > > > machine. F8 detected the card automatically. Unfortunately > > > > > > > > > > I can't tell you exactly when I got the error. I had tried > > > > > > > > > > lots of things to get sound to work but never did. It > > > > > > > > > > wasn't a big deal. Then I was looking at something else > > > > > > > > > > when I was the error. I figured that I would take a look > > > > > > > > > > at it. It seems like an easy fix. It seems pretty obvious > > > > > > > > > > to me what was wrong. So I corrected it. Then sound > > > > > > > > > > worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply Frank. I was hoping that you would say > > > > > > > > > that your card was also an isa one, and would tie it in with > > > > > > > > > Aarons problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's nice to see that both of you have resolved the problem, > > > > > > > > > but what's going on to cause these problems is beyond me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you see from what I posted above, my audigy2 soundblaster > > > > > > > > > was detected ok, and apart from disabling pulseaudio by > > > > > > > > > removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, and adding the usual lines > > > > > > > > > to /etc/modprobe.conf for my usb midi keyboard that uses > > > > > > > > > snd-usb-audio, the sounds are working ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the fact that both you and Aaron now have sounds is > > > > > > > > > the main thing. Quite why you've both had problems, and me > > > > > > > > > none, I've no idea. That's computers for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark says: > > > > > > > > When I run the "alsa-info.sh" script I see an error message > > > > > > > > when it tries to collect the data that says something like "no > > > > > > > > soundcard found." I think it's the same error that I see when I > > > > > > > > run aplay to list out cards: > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ aplay -l > > > > > > > > aplay: device_list:205: no soundcards found... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, when I look at the script results, I see the following at > > > > > > > > about line 65 (this is after I tried "model=toshiba" in > > > > > > > > modprobe.conf even though my laptop is a Dell XPS 1710): > > > > > > > > Loaded sound module option > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > Module: snd_hda_intel > > > > > > > > enable : N > > > > > > > > id : <NULL> > > > > > > > > index : 0 > > > > > > > > model : toshiba > > > > > > > > position_fix : 0 > > > > > > > > power_save : 0 > > > > > > > > power_save_controller : Y > > > > > > > > probe_mask : -1 > > > > > > > > single_cmd : N > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could the "enable: N" line be the key here? For those of you > > > > > > > > that have sound working, what do you see listed for "enable?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it helps, you can look at all the test results that the > > > > > > > > script uploaded at: > > > > > > > > http://pastebin.ca/903970 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman, PMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark. I've sort of lost the plot a bit, but do you have your > > > > > > > sound working now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask because the Alsa development folks are working hard on > > > > > > > resolving problems, particularly with the hda intel cards. Alsa > > > > > > > driver 1.0.16 has just been released, and I see many patches > > > > > > > being applied to the hda intel codecs, including your STAC9200 > > > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound works using: > > > > > > Pidgin > > > > > > VLC (playing Rush/Tom Sawyer right now) > > > > > > RealAudio > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not work for: > > > > > > gnome-cd (won't start a track) > > > > > > grip (starts reading tracks, but no sound) > > > > > > aplay/arecord ("no soundcard found") > > > > > > Flash in Firefox > > > > > > system-config-soundcard (everything's there--just no sound!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > I can pipe a ".au" file (if I remember the extension correctly) > > > > > > to /dev/audio and I hear it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some "/proc/asound" stuff: > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls /proc/asound/ > > > > > > card0 cards devices hwdep Intel modules oss pcm seq timers > > > > > > version [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > > > > > > 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel > > > > > > HDA Intel at 0xdfffc000 irq 21 > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls /proc/asound/card0 > > > > > > codec#0 codec#1 id oss_mixer pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm > > > > > > 00-01: STAC92xx Digital : STAC92xx Digital : playback 1 > > > > > > 00-00: STAC92xx Analog : STAC92xx Analog : playback 1 : capture > > > > > > 1 [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/modules > > > > > > 0 snd_hda_intel > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/devices > > > > > > 2: : timer > > > > > > 3: : sequencer > > > > > > 4: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback > > > > > > 5: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback > > > > > > 6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture > > > > > > 7: [ 0- 1]: hardware dependent > > > > > > 8: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent > > > > > > 9: [ 0] : control > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls -ld /proc/asound/Intel > > > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-02-14 20:18 /proc/asound/Intel -> > > > > > > card0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. If any of the Alsa development > > > > > > folks would like a test bed to try out ideas just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark. I know I've got pulseaudio on the brain, as I had problems > > > > > with it, and disabled it, but have you got the default install of F8, > > > > > where pulseaudio is enabled? I ask because of the sound apps that you > > > > > have working. Realplayer uses OSS, VLC uses natively OSS, or Alsa, > > > > > and also Gnomes ESD. Not sure about Pidgin (Gaim), but I believe it > > > > > uses OSS for it's sounds. Puzzling why Alsa apps won't work. > > > > > > > > > > If you havn't messed with pulseaudio since installing F8, I think I'd > > > > > do a: yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > > > > > > > > > > having done that I'd see if now aplay, audio cd's, etc work. > > > > > > > > > > Enough for now. > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > The only PulseAudio package I have installed is > > > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8. It's needed for > > > > libflashsupport-000-0.1.svn20070904. > > > > > > Hi Marc. Sorry for the delay in replying. I spent a while today going > > > back through the alsa-devel archives, and the only reference to the Dell > > > XPS 1710, was one for the Dell XPS M1710w (which may well be the same > > > machine), and was to do with a problem with the subwoofer not working > > > with the alsa 1.0.14 driver, and on a Suse install. See below for the > > > thread. > > > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-August/subject. > > >html > > > > > > I'll contact the guy directly, after you've replied to this post, to see > > > if he had any problems with getting sound working on his machine. I'd > > > like to clarify some things with you first though. > > <Snip> > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > > > > > Over to you, and all the best. > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > For pulseaudio: > > The only PulseAudio package I have installed is > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8. > > > > For option values in modprobe: I tried all ("all") the dell values. > > Someone earlier said they used "toshiba" even though their laptop wasn't > > a Toshiba, so I thought I'd try it. No luck, of course. > > > > alsamixer: > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ alsamixer > > > > alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such > > file or directory > > -- Mark C. Allman > > Hi Mark. I had a reply back from the guy on the alsa-devel list, that has the > same machine as you. He's using Suse, not F8, but had no problems getting > sound working. See below for his reply. > > <quote> > I'm not aware of any initial problem I might have had. However I regularly > install drivers from the hg tree so I'm not too sure about actual versions. > > However at the time I posted about my subwoofer problem I did have sound and > wasn't even aware there might be problems (apart from the sound being > somewhat "slim", i.e. missing deep frequencies). On the other hand I usually > use headphones and thus don't recognize that. > > Anyway, after applying the patches you refer to above also my building > subwoofer works as adverticed and I do have another slider when invoking > alsamixer. So I'd say with alsa 1.0.1[456] it should work. > > So to sum it up: > I have no problems with sound on my XPS M1710 whatsoever. > > Feel free to ask more questions and/or compare configurations. > > Best, > Michael > <end quote> > > I'm still concerned about pulseaudio, and I'm not trying to start an argument. > The fact that that alsamixer is not available appears to indicate that > pulseaudio is still involved in some way or other. You have said that you > only have pulseaudio-libs installed, but the package that disables pulseaudio > is named "alsa-plugins-pulseaudio". Could you please verify that the package > named "alsa-plugins-pulseaudio" is not installed. We're just trying to help > here, and to get your sound working. > > As I've said before, running, rpm -q alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, will show if the > package is installed, or Yumex will will also show if it's installed, or if > you use apt, and synaptic, synaptic will show if the package is installed. > > Sorry. I'm not trying to wind you up, but just trying to find out if > pulseaudio is enabled. It's causing a lot of problems for some folks, and > disabling it just gets the sounds back. > > Nigel. > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ rpm -q -a | grep ulse pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 [mcallman@prez tmp]$ rpm -q -a | grep audio gnome-audio-2.0.0-4 portaudio-19-3.fc8 audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8 jack-audio-connection-kit-0.103.0-5.fc8 pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 audiofile-0.2.6-7.fc8 [mcallman@prez tmp]$ cat /etc/asound.conf pcm.!default { type hw card 0 } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 } pcm.Intel { type hw card 0 } ctl.Intel { type hw card 0 } [mcallman@prez tmp]$ amixer amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory Is there detailed documentation in an Alsa source that defines what all goes into asound.conf? As I've said all along, I'm just looking for ideas on what to dig into to diagnose and fix this. I'm not expecting you all on the list to do the work! -- Mark C. 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