Tim: >> Seems a rather bad way to organise the starting order, not having a >> network ready before services that need to use a network. Mikkel L. Ellertson: > I am working on my first cup of coffee, so I may be way off base, > but isn't NetworkManager designed to manage connections when a user > logs in? It's an example of yet another case where network manager is only suitable for some users. On the other side of the coin - in some cases you'll need name resolution working, through a DNS server not hosts file, before you even start X or a window manager. If you have bookmarks or desktop links to NFS served directories Gnome will take forever to start up if it cannot access them, if it even will start up. Sure, it has its uses. But I'd rate it as a poor default configuration. -- (This computer runs FC7, my others run FC4, FC5 & FC6, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.