On Nov 27, 2007 2:04 PM, John Summerfield <debian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Seems to me that network manager is far from ready for use, it's causing > too much trouble to too many people. It is ready for use... for some situations. This is exactly the reason why NetworkManager is NOT turned on by default on the traditional dvd install media in F8. The legacy network stack is still the default for the traditional dvd install target. The Live CD however is specifically designed for a a much narrower range of usage cases, where dhcp is expected to be used and NM is turned on by default there. You sort of have to admit that the livecd desktop experience is enhanced by having NM turned on. If you did an install using the live cd.. you get NM turned on. If you used the dvd installer you get the legacy network stack by default. There is an understanding that NM doesn't have enough features yet to turn on by default for all uses and so the dvd installer doesn't use it by default. But the plan is to turn NM on by default everywhere at some point. So you should watch NM development and see how the reuse of pre-configured static settings progresses. My biggest concern is that we didn't correctly anticipate people making wide use the livecd as a preferred installation method for traditional server/workstation installs. Though if NM static setting development progresses at pace, the issue may well be moot by F9 release. -jef