on 10/28/2007 6:43 PM, Karl Larsen wrote: > David Boles wrote: >> on 10/28/2007 4:11 PM, Karl Larsen wrote: >> >>> David Boles wrote: >>> >>>> on 10/28/2007 3:04 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Alan Cox wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> But note that there is nothing remotely illegal about the nvidia driver, >>>>>>> nor would there be any problem with the fedora project distributing it >>>>>>> themselves if they had any reason to care about the user experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Actually the legal state of the Nvidia driver is a matter of debate. Even >>>>>> if it was legal it would not meet the Fedora policy, nor be in the >>>>>> interests of the project. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> When the users' interests aren't the same as the project's interests, >>>>> you have to wonder why there are any users - or how long there will be any. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The Linux users should get of their collective lazy a$$es and setup their >>>> systems to suit themselves if they want to use non FOSS packages. >>>> >>>> Since the current subject is Nvidia, a Windows install, for example, comes >>>> with a 'it works' Nvidia video driver. Just like Linux does. *Not* the >>>> fancy one from Nvidia that does all of the fancy stuff. The 'Stupid >>>> Windows User' must go to the Nvidia site, find the proper driver for his >>>> video card and install it to get the fancy video stuff. >>>> >>>> So what you are saying or implying here? That 'Stupid Windows Users' know >>>> more about their systems and how to set them up than 'Brilliant Linux >>>> Users' do? ;-) >>>> >>>> >>> The Windows user has a screen with a pointer on it. He can use that >>> screen forever and be happy. If he is at home and wants to run Flight >>> Simulator he needs to get the better driver and the instruction on >>> flight sim include how to get it. >>> >>> Fedora users discover a broken screen sometimes without a pointer >>> and that is how it works. Stupid since there are alternatives. >>> >> >> I didn't say that you should *not* use the Nvidia drivers Karl. Only that >> you should be prepared to do the work needed to do that. And that you >> should understand just *why* Fedora can *not* do this. And just why the >> people on the 'third party sites' might be a little behind your needs. >> Thinks like they might have real jobs. They are doing it because they want >> to do it. And for no money. Kinda' hard to be upset with someone who is >> giving you their time and efforts for free. That's all. >> >> > Well after all this "why we can't do a dam thing" let's consider how > to help a new user of Fedora x who stumbles onto this list and is asking > for help with the usual nvidia problems. We need someone to get those > people headed in the right direction. I will be willing to do that. As I > looked today nvidia is a big company making a lot of money. My computer > is full of there stuff. Since Fedora x will just work terrible with > nvidia I think we must be ready to help. There you go again Karl. A good idea. Really. But you do need a website or a blog for this information. When it comes to an information source this list is okay but try to search for past questions and answers. Which is why you see the same questions asked again and again and answered in the same or similar ways over and over. What I find truly amazing is the fact that some (most) Newbies will wipe out a perfectly good working Mac OS X system, or a perfectly good working Windows system, and install a completely strange Linux system without doing any preparations. Like reading stuff and learning a little about it *before* they do this. Dumb things like will my computer still work after I install Linux? Can I still listen to music? Can I still watch videos? Can I still play my favorite game? Can I get on The Internet? It goes on. As for the repeating questions and problems that I mentioned? Fedora 8 is about two weeks away. I won't take the time or bandwidth to list them here but I already know what the subjects of the posts for next several weeks will be before they happen. Care to know? Go back and check the Fedora 7 release posts. Or the Fedora Core 6 posts. Or the Fedora Core 5 posts. And on and on. -- David
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