On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 12:10 -0700, Craig White wrote: > Obviously, Les' opinion is not a very popular one on this list but he is > entitled to his opinion and it doesn't make him a bad guy. > > Some people on this list find it hard to disagree without being > disagreeable...we should leave that type of behavior to politics where > it belongs ;-) Exactly, very well put. I think the point I made that Fedora could work more on stability, user friendliness is Les's point. Slowing the pace down a bit would not be a bad thing, especially if the release could be beta tested and de-bugged more fully for the sake of both camps of users, the gear-heads and the people that would rather just use their computers as a viable tool. I'm in the latter camp and make no apologies for it. I've had to wrestle with xine at least 5 time in two years to make it do what it did successfully, before some update broke it. After six months of fooling with Croquet, I found that installing the nVidia driver from nVidia directly fixed it. I was physically ill, after realizing just how much time and effort I spent trying to fix something that anyone running a Mac or Winders had no libGL problem at all with. Iwas pushing for Fedora to be adopted for an open-source project for state governments, with 2.7 million potential incarcerated clients. So, I backed up every bit of the project, cleanly installed FC7 and re-installed the project. It's now f'ing broke. I look now like a GD idiot, ...again. My intent was all along to do a little bit of moral-payback for the benefits RH has bestowed on me. Yet, from what I'm reading it's screw me and others for wanting FC to be just a bit "stable", meaning the computer I had working yesterday will still be working tomorrow in like fashion. It makes no sense whatsoever to expect less than the "right thing", just as in the old days. Whatever happened to that? We'll settle for broken? RH, I thought I knew ye. The list email address sez <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> so it has you guys name on it. Matt, you reading this?? So, my moral imperative, to those depending on me to deliver the goods on time, sane and working, is to go and look for the "right thing". I am supremely disappointed that I haven't found it here, but by Gawd I tried. It would have been one helluva market share but right, F me. Thanks for ridding me of the "cognitive distortion" that I could trust this crate to reliably fly. <exiting stage left sobbing in search of the right distro for my needs> Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================