Re: mc

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On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 12:58 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> LOL...  But that makes you do all the work, *it's* the bloody
> >> computer.
> Les Mikesell:
> > How much work is it to type a 2 character command? 
> But that's not it, is it?  It's far more than typing in a command.
> Typing ls, or mv, doesn't get me anywhere.  I have to cd to where the
> files are, probably do mkdir a few times with a cd or two thrown in.
> I've got to come up with a sane wildcard to move a collection of files,
> or individually list a slew of files with no commonalities between them,
> type in paths to move them too, ad infinitum.
> Anybody who suggests that using the command line is far less work than
> using a GUI has never used a decent GUI-based file manager.  A GUI tool
> is about the only way to easily move arbitrary files about.  The fact
> that Linux has crap GUI file tools, in general, doesn't make the CLI
> superior in itself.
> -- 
Actually GUI's exist because programmers hated writing the code
necessary for command line commands to be properly recognized, have
decent error messages and other support tasks.  By handcuffing the
interface to a "GUI" they limit input, restrict user options and only
offer the user what they think is required.  That is why Microsoft loved
it.  I still back out to the command line for bulk tasks, because I can
write a script and have a whole sequence of things done in a single
command.  And where it is something done frequently I can work for a few
minutes to create a script that will do it all automatically and even do
it as a timed or periodic job if I choose.  It is not that you cannot do
this with a GUI, but that GUI's generally don't give you too many
options, thus make it difficult to occasionally get the exact options in
play that you wanted.  Also the GUI itself is slow, and therefore for
large tasks means that the horsepower you paid for is doing cute things
with screen displays rather than doing the work you need done.  However
I do use a GUI for email (it is a simple, well understood task and has
been pretty well thought out, and the gui works OK for that type of very
repetitive task where everyone needs the same subset of the computer's
power.  I also like GUI development platforms if I am doing developement
for a computer task for non computer literate folks. Given my druthers,
though I would give them a button that invokes a script.  And I am not
alone in that.  TCL and TK came out of that desire by other

	Most system Admin types I know use CLI because it prevents some holes
that could potentially give others access to the systems.  If you run a
GUI as root, you are opening lots of paths into the system, even on UNIX
and Linux.  As a Windows user, at least up to XP, you were probably at
root access level, so running the GUI opened the system in lots of ways.
This is one of the reasons that there are so many Virus and Worm attacks
on Windows systems.  It is easier in that form of environment.

Les H

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