Hi; Before I submit a series of bugs to bugzilla, I would like to check if others are having the same problems. Specifically with Gnome Sessions Manager: Documentation: The session manager does not match the help documents. 1) "Automatically save changes to session: .... If you do not select this option, when you end your session the Logout Confirmation dialog displays a Save current setup option." This does not exist on the log out dialogue even though it used to. Logically it might not be any longer necessary, but, when nothing else is working the way it is expected to, then it would be reassuring if not down right useful to save the current setup option. 2) "Sessions: ... When you log in on GDM, you choose a session. When you choose a session, you can select which of the multiple sessions to use." No 'named' sessions appear on GDM in the sessions box. Under the Current Session tab: 3) "Order: ... To specify the startup order of an application, select the application in the table. Use the Order spin box to specify the startup order value." I see no discernible change in order whether setting up the 'default' session or a 'named' session. 4) "Trash: Does not start when you start a GNOME session." Yes it does. The trashcan symbol is ignored. 5) "Settings: Starts automatically when you start a session. Applications with this style usually have a low startup order, and store your configuration settings for GNOME and session-managed applications." All programs start with some preset configuration no matter what I try. I particularly wanted to set my own size, postion, etc. in some programs like Evolution, Xchat-Gnome and others. This preset remains active in both a 'default' session and a 'named' session. 6) "Remove: Click on the Remove button to delete the selected application from the list. The application is removed from the session manager, and closed. If you save the session after doing this any deleted applications will not start the next time you start a session." Not true. I have removed in the Current Session many programs such as: Nautilus, Epiphany, and Sessions Manager. They all reapper. At logon nautilus opens in my home directory, epipany over lays it and sessions manager is on top. Under the Startup Programs tab: 7) "Additional startup programs: ... If you specify more than one startup application, use the Priority spin box to specify the startup order of the each application. The startup order is the order in which you want the startup applications to start." There is no spin box to set priorities. 8) "To edit a startup application, select the startup application, then click on the Edit button. The Edit Startup Program dialog is displayed. Use the dialog to modify the command and the startup order for the startup application." The start up dialogue starts filled with all same programs as the Current Session Tab. Most have greyed out edit and delete buttons. Most programs have an '--sm-disable' extension. It is confusing to know what the enable/disable button does in the face of such an extension. Does it enable or does it disable? Command options do not work in application commands in the session manager. Notecase jots.ncd on the command line and in a launcher opens the notecase program with the jots.ncd file showing. The same command will not select any file when opening a session. Besides the documentation problems, an iconfied program will not start iconified; when multiple programs are started in a worksheet they all start huddled in the upper left corner. Most annoying, there seems to be this preset configuration, not to be confused with the 'default' session, that I am unable to undo no matter what I try or how many hours I spent on it. It used to work for me in FC3, FC4 and FC5. The net effect is that I have no sessions management, and, I can't work the way I am used to. If other people are facing the same dilemmas, please respond. I will submit the bugs, if they are bugs. I've checked bugzilla for similar problems and so far I am the only one with a complaint. -- Regards Bill
