On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:25:22 -0600 Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> took out a #2 pencil and scribbled: > We already have the "captive NTFS" project which loads "foreign" > device drivers. Why not build upon that effort? Isn't this > something worthy of discussion? Whoops, itchy ctrl-enter fingers there. It is indeed worthy of discussion. I'm not at all opposed to discussing things such as building upon or improving things like nvidia and NTFS. Isn't that similar to what livna (I don't regularly use livna so I'm speaking outside my realm of experience here at this point) does or at least attempts to do? I use the NTFS module regularly as I have to play WoW (yes pixel crack)and on occasion I leave files behind that I want in linux, and I've had no real complaints about it. It just works. Livna does a very good job in my opinion from the two or three times I've used them for my nvidia driver) of providing a usable and useful module. I have also compiled the nvidia module manually and not had any problem. That does not speak for others, I know. Would I prefer to have that sort of thing native within linux? Sure, but currently that's not the reality of it and will not be for some time. Quite some time, unfortunately. As a side question, do you believe that this makes linux less of an "average user" sort of OS? -- Alex White ethericalzen@xxxxxxxxx Life is a prison, death is a release