On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 23:49 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 05:32:15PM -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote: > > On 7/16/06, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 02:31:29PM -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote: > > >> If he didn't have the time, he should have just said so. I could > > >> accept that. But ignoring me is unproffessional behavior. > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > >How much are you paying him? > > So being professional is only an entitlement for paid software? Can > > you post the rest of the MS Linux FD manual now so that I'll make sure > > not to violate the rest of its rules? > > Being paid is a requirement for _expecting_ professional behavior. You may > be pleasantly surprised to receive it from someone volunteering their time > to work on a project, but it's arrogant and rude to *expect* service. I gotta disagree with you on this point, otherwise any child could hammer at the keyboard, upload it as gospel and someone has a trashed machine. It's a matter of trust, peer review, teamwork and responsibility. It's a matter of acknowledging mistakes, which humans do 15% of the time, and being responsible for them, as they will occur. It's healthy to behave this way, as opposed to merely be appearing to be 'professional'. There are way too many clowns like that in the world as it is, posing and wanting money. Tim was looking for compromise, properly assertive, and offers to help. The french guy decided to withdraw. Not healthy. Not assertive. If you want the entire lecture on proper assertiveness, as promoted by the mental health folks, I'll get it for you as I studied the living hell out of it. Tim had relationship value as well as a personal goal (working video cam). The french guy has his working and didn't seem to care at all about Tim's, showing no relationship value. Once again, forget professional, it's not -mentally healthy- to place yourself in a position of power and authority without an equal and attendant measure of acknowledged responsibility, (which is the basis for my entire OAR project on sourceforge) which has no price to be paid. If someone claiming to be a Hero does not save the baby from drowning, he is just posing, while people get hurt when they lean on the person who claims to be responsible and in the real world, isn't. Tim gets disappointed and none of us now trust the man's work. So, if this guy claims to be the webcam goto guy and isn't, then I dust my shoes in his general direction as he is not being assertive nor responsible. That's the issue. Be responsible or step back. My machine went ape after loading those drivers, and I had to step back two kernels to even get my machine to boot. I'd rather have no driver than one that seems to wreck my machine. It's one thing if he said he made a mistake, it's another to say there is no mistake. Professional? Hardly. Pay money for the -abuse-? Forgetaboutit. I'd like to send him a bill for 3 hours trying to get that stuff out of my system. I'm certain it clobbered my nVidia setup. -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ...the Sin of Ignorance, and ...the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ ================================================
