On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 16:27 -0700, jdow wrote:
> As to who and how the GPL hurts people or companies making it good,
> evil, agnostic, confused, or anything else that is a view each person
> can make for herself or himself. Whether it hurts developers or not
> is up to the opinion of the developer. It actually simplifies my life.
> I develop for Windows and keep the Linux system alive as a server for
> various networking needs.
The point could be made that you avoid paying for a network license, not
just 'simplifying your life', so the bottom line is that you get
something that works well for free and profit by it?
> I don't feel any compulsion to develop for
> two quite different environments. Besides even if I could charge for
> software such as I make under a Linux environment I could not make
> near as much as with the Windows environment.
I hope you sock it to 'em. :)
> But I would like to
> share the tools with Linux folks for roughly the cost of creating it
> for Linux folks. No can do. So I don't.
> The losers are arguably
> the Linux USERS not me.
I have a fully functioning system, how does your not contributing make
me, or any of us, losers? Ego check, please. I'm surviving the loss and
resent the label loser.
> (Which leads me to an observation that Linux
> users who try to make Linux into a USERs machine rather than a server
> must be into self abuse in other nasty ways, too. {^_-})
As I mentioned before, such projects as the $100 laptop and GoodWill
Industries installing Linux to sell used computers for $100, just might
enable someone to do something that we all can benefit by, as opposed to
being robbed, beaten, abused in some fashion by someone who could only
afford $100 or have a machine gifted by someone with a cast-off machine
become denied of the bargain and a chance at self-advancement, if
everyone had the mindset that they ALWAYS get paid. I used to have that
mindset myself. Winners vs Losers. I liked to win, way way too damn much
in a 26 year career in the chemical industry and it almost cost me my
life. So, please grep /dev/human empathy and see if it can still be
found.
Please understand, all I know about you is what you write. I understand
you contribute much. I understand you carry some weight. I also
understand the English language and you have said you owe no one
nothing, that you will do nothing without some freight, and we're losers
because of your non-contributions.
Objectification. A good word for people with a very close affinity for
machines to explore thoroughly. You must create yourself as an object
(winner) before you can objectify others (losers) and proceed to hurt
them, in some fashion, due to an object's inherent lack of rights. Do
winners beget losers or do losers beget winners? I am using my talents
and the talents of others, to develop a system to reduce recidivism. I
could soak the states and the feds for plenty. If it works successfully,
the public would demand it and so would you. Probably could wind up
making a killing! Instead I have GPL'd it, and shall give it away so it
be available to those who can least afford it and really need it; the
2.3 million locked up in the US. I hope half the world jumps in to help
develop it...
My personal motive? I cannot pay back, I can only pay forward to the
people I've run over in my life. I am not alone in this, everyone else
can acknowledge their own mistakes and I doubt anyone's list is short.
So, the only way for me to balance the spiritual books is to do what I
can with whatever gifts and talents I may have left to me. Sure, you
have to serve yourself first, in order to have the surplus to serve
others. Making a buck is not bad at all. It becomes a personal choice
though; when have you served yourself -enough- to be free to be of
service to others. Were it not for Linux, the $100 laptop would be a
$300 dollar laptop. Then a $100,000 project of 1,000 laptops becomes
$300,000 and that may be a show stopper for a social experiment in a
state budget. To not see Linux for Users is to limit it's use to the
'gearheads', as has been remarked upon in mainstream magazines such as
Newsweek. That is not only very lousy press, it is a sad commentary on
our community and I hope Linux can become more very user friendly, as we
improve our empathy skills.
We are getting there. I just installed FC5 from CD's, and I was on the
net without doing anything. I followed Stanton's instructions to the tee
and even the 'bad' stuff works now. I watched a Dvd movie without
breaking sweat and pouring over man and doc pages. Linux is arriving.
But without the empathy for users from folks like Stanton, I'd be
feeling pretty stupid and frustrated. There is a bunch of giving on this
list and some of us need it.
The heckuvit is that if your family is not abused on a given day,
because an inmate got successfully treated by the program and able to
make better decisions, you wouldn't know it. Maybe what you contribute
made it possible. So, do you stop giving? No one has a -clue- as to how
what you contribute will come back to you, but it is universally
believed that it does. It does take a measure of faith to go down that
path. So, you do what you can whenever you can, with whatever you have.
The next step is to learn to love the unlovable. Jimmy Carter said both
of those. I don't know exactly where he got it, but I suspect it's
open-source'd as well. I ripped it and now it's here. Pass it on.
So, the GPL only hinders those who receive and use free gifts to produce
a derivative work, and then demand payment. I'm good with that. Plain
and simple, end of story. Pay for your tools, receive payment on
investment. Plain and simple, end of story. Ah! But I paid to develop my
MIND! Well, if you really took advantage of educational opportunities,
you probably received more than you paid for.
If the Moors hadn't invaded western Europe and the British isles, we
wouldn't have the math to compute and we'd be using straws to count
with, straws being the MicroLoft upgrade from Fingers&Toes. We owe much
to a band of seafaring warriors & educators from northern Africa. I
studied up on them as they reached Scotland and I owe my surname to
them, from what I've been able to research. Moore, More, Muir, Morrisey,
Morrison, any name with Mor or Moor in it, or sounds like it, is
probably of Moorish decent! Imagine that. That answers a few things...
<chuckles> Yoho! Now I'm in Gift-Debt to possible ancestors of a 1,000
years ago to divide 7 by 3 and have fractions in the answer. No one said
here's fractions, that'll be $500 please for the single user license to
use them. You got it free.
Once again, I know you do contribute, but I am calling you on what you
wrote and how I perceived it. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother. :)
Ric
