OK, mabe I have a short fuse, but this afternoon I (finally) got fc5 installed ( I had problems with the CDs and only having a REBOOT button when I tried earlier in the week). BUT, first all the install screens have been simplified to the point that you have little or no choice of what gets installed. No two levels like they used to be. AND THEN, when it comes up I can find NO WAY to bring up a TERMINAL window. Seems that should be #1 on some list but I cant find it at all. That would seem to make the emulation of Windows complete. I finally gave up and tried to close it down, but of course you cant do that either. I could <CTL><ALT><BKSP> to kill X11 and get back to the login screen, and there were two buttons there that looked much like windows, and on windows would have let me shut down the system, but NO neither of them would do anything. Finally had to power cycle to get out of this thing. Not a good start. What do others think of this new look-and-feel? If this is where Fedora is going, Im going to have to try Centos. -- Reg.Clemens reg@xxxxxxx