Tim wrote: > Yes they can. They have write access to their own homespace, so they > can change the files in there. They can delete that file and create > their own replacement. The chattr +i command can fix that... Once a file has been made immutable (by root), not even root can delete or modify it until root removes the immutable flag. Alternatively (and I haven't tried this), it should be possible to set environment variables in /etc/profile and use typeset -r to prevent the users from overwriting them. This should get around the previously mentioned problem with the TMOUT environment variable being overwritten in ~/.bash_profile. See man bash and search for typeset for details. But I don't think that anyone has addressed the core question, "what does the Original Poster mean by an 'idle' login"? For example, what happens if someone goes into emacs, and then leaves emacs open? Or SSHes into another system? Or uses tail -f to monitor an interesting logfile? Until the original requirements have been *clearly* stated, all you can do is hope you've mind-read what they really wanted correctly. James. -- E-mail address: james | "Does exactly what it says on the tin." ... @westexe.demon.co.uk | I've got a tin at home: it says "Open other end". | It never is. | -- Humphrey Lyttelton, "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue"