Tim: >>> You could also try just doing a telinit 3 or 1 in there, instead of >>> poweroff, if you want to see whether quitting the GUI without going as >>> far as shutting down shows up where a problemm is. Gerhard Magnus >> This is a neat diagnostic tool! >> When I do a teleinit 3 the first message is: >> PuteA login: FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq >> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-1.1656_FC4/kernel/aaarch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device >From what I understand, this is nothing to worry about. It's trying to do something that it's not able to, and doesn't *have* to, and fails in the attempt. >> Then I get normal-looking service start-up lines (with an OK at the end >> of each) for pcmcia, irqbalance, lmsensors, and anacron. Then the >> system hangs. Usually, the last thing you see is what you want to test out. Though I doubt anacron is the problem, you could try individually starting and stopping it. But a hang (or very long wait) at that point, or to do with starting X could indicate a name resolution issue. >> Again, my specific problem occurs in logging off from KDE using the GUI. >> The system hangs before the login screen comes up. > I fixed this by loading the second most recent kernel > (2.6.11.1.1369_FC4) instead of the most recent kernel > (2.6.14-1.1656_FC4) from the Grub menu. A lucky guess -- does anyone > have any idea as to why this worked? For example, what does the > difference between "1369_FC4" and "1656_FC4" mean in the name of a > kernel? I can only say to read the release notes for it. I don't know the specific differences between them. I can say that I don't have problems using Gnome with them. I don't have KDE on my system. You could try seeing whether you get a hang if you were using Gnome instead of KDE (or any other-than-KDE window manager), as a quick test. -- Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.