Friends, I understand up front that I'm getting a 'sorta' RedHat product, which is always going to be cutting edge, and the payback for RedHat is that as a static group of development users, we use the latest and greatest (and most prone to break) as 'beta testers'. That's their payback for the effort, we get the system, resources, services that we need for a cohesive project. No monetary consideration is involved on either side. If one is profiting dollarwise by the use of Fedora, and wish for stability, support, development, etc. then the deal becomes sorta one-sided, (I make money, you kiss my ass) less than mutually beneficial, as it seems from some posts that require RedHat Fedora to stop in time and maintain for their monetary interests. People usually pay for that. RedHat Enterprise is all about Rock-Solid, plenty of caution when it comes to updating the distro, everything lacking surprises. Fedora is about landing gear up, your seatbelt fastened, seatback and tray in the upright and locked position. General Ripper would be happy as a clam. (" -a big bird like a B-52, flying close to the ground, -- WHOOOSH!") That's what I understood when I installed Fedora. I see it as RedHat attracting willing cutting edge users to their development team, (for free) in exchange for the latest toys to test, and a sense of community for users who are willing to do this for them (RedHat) and themselves (us, the recipients who are in Gift-Debt to RedHat for this <ahem> opportunity) and, ultimately, be of mutual benefit. If stuff blows up, it'll blow up on us first, and not the paying customers. That is properly assertive, as we accepted that deal, possessing true consent as adults, and compromise is certainly an on-going goal (..you can blow us up a little, just not ALOT!). But, to suggest that RedHat suitcase this deal that we are "gifted" with, and do it "my way or the highway" is aggressive. Not good, according to my perspectives. If anything, it just antagonizes our benefactor, who really doesn't have to do this at all. What's with that? Again, not good, according to my perspectives. That's my two-cents, my story and I'm sticking to it, your Honor! I'll accept a jury trial. I hope we come to a concensus, here. Ric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com