So what about those of us who are trying to support the end users? Will we at least get web fora that are usable for us? Will I be able, as an individual user, to flag threads and posts for later attention (when I've had a chance to think, or got to the right location with the right software to check out a problem)? Will the software automatically mark which threads and which posts I've read, to help me catch up with what I've read and what I haven't read? (And that's without such niceties as "scoring based on poster and on topic", which is what keeps the list sane for me). I know you say that "fedora-list and fedora-test-list would NOT close". But you will still need knowledgeable people on the fora to do the user support, and we're going to need fora that are enjoyable enough for us to want to use them. If we find we're battling the software, if we move on, that's not going to do much for the community you have built up. And speaking of which, I think the concept of FUDcon as "a place for the community for meet" is going to be incredibly divisive *if* you assume that the people there represent the community. I think it's going to be very North America-centric. I just don't have time or money to get over to Boston on the amount of notice that we were given. Fedora users are not necessarily commercial users. Get opinions there, sure. Come up with ideas, float concepts, have arguments. But if decisions are made "having consulted the community", you're kidding yourselves. Maybe we need separate fedora-user and fedora-directions fora. Maybe it's time for me to re-examine where and how I want to help. James. -- James Wilkinson | DON'T be put off by "horror stories" spread by Exeter Devon UK | others. People who talk about death and serious E-mail address: james | injury are very rarely the ones who have actually @westexe.demon.co.uk | suffered such things. -- Adrian Plass