On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 12:33:58AM -0500, James Ralston wrote: > Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, this means that from my point of > view, FC3 does not have a usable window manager. > As far as I'm concerned, a usable window manager must support the > following capabilities: While I appreciate your wishes, I don't think this line of argument is very constructive. Everyone has favorite features, and it's not helpful to say "this is totally broken!" (or "unusable") just because it doesn't match _your_ checklist. Clearly metacity meets some people's checklists (Havoc's, at least!), and I'm sure you're well aware of it. Rather than picking the inflammatory subject and introductory paragraphs, it's more likely to be productive to phrase this differently -- "Where can I find a FC3 window manager that meets my needs? That said... > Otherwise, if my assessment is correct: what are those of you who also > demand the above capabilities using? Sawfish from CVS? Something > else? Window Maker should fit the bill pretty well, although the version in Fedora Extras last I looked (before the new "Pre-Extras" thing) wasn't up to date and wasn't quite modern-gnome-aware. -- Matthew Miller mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx <http://www.mattdm.org/> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>