On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:40:22 +0100, James Wilkinson <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
(Netiquette note: when you're responding to a digest, it's a good idea to change the subject back to something useful).
(My original thread had it!It was perhaps overlooked in the second)
Parameshwara Bhat wrote:
Yes,that does work.But what I was looking for was not just meeting an actual need.But a technological question as to why Linux can't do it or doesn't do it or hasn't thought fo doing it ? What you suggest is a two way work .But Winzip has been spanning floppies for many years and it appears so simple a task in Windows.Why this feature not in Linux ? I guess because of it's clumsy mount and unmount ?
It's more a philosophical point. ( Rest read and snipped ! )
It indeed is ! Well I can't see the situation in your place, in my place I am one attracted to FS /OSS for it's idealism and trying to keep myself afloat on Linux in the sea of Windows and all personal computers . Now I see that CDs cost a bit less than or at most equal to floppies and my point perhaps makes no sense.
But in this lonely attempt,many times I felt frustrated at the complicated ways even KDE and GNOME and Fedora think!Look at the stupidity of denying access to floppies and CD-roms to user accounts(You can't unmount a CD and not hope to eject)in a desktop installation of Fedora ( choice offered in Anaconda ) I am both root and user.I am advised not to work as root.But I can't take out a CD and put another one in ! I must be root to do that.I can't dial up to internet connection as a user.I must be root to do that and you are not supposed to be that connecting to internet.It is not all that complicated to surmount this,but as a new user from the world of Windows,each required great deal of wondering and digging.It is as much an effort getting sound !
This is a common trait of all *nixes as I am learning.Whatever are the inner strenghts and ideals,the above examples are born out of a lack of respect for the common computer user.Clear message - computer not for non-programmers and non-geeks!And as much out of a lack of imagination.What else for it should offer you a desktop installation and not bother to do the simple settings for you ?
I am an educated,thinking individual,but not in computers! but the world of Linux and Unixes have no respect for people like me.They do not seem to want us ( I do not mean to offend all those of you who have so voluntarily shared my troulbes taking them upon you ! )
Rgds,
Parameshwara Bhat
Welcome to the world of security first, usablility second.
This is part of security. Security first is in *nix but not Windows which works security in last. Of course this could change for Windows users in the future as Microsoft is taking security to a higher level. But all the features can be changed as needed for each user.
If you have worked on a locked down windows machine, CD access doesn't work for all people, nor do floppies.
Windows wasn't designed for Multi-Users as *nixes. I can set my Linux box to work differently for myself, my wife and my children. In each case the requirements are different. My daughter doesn't need to burn CD's at this time but my wife does. This includes screen resolution.
It is a learning curve and this is where the Linux community needs to improve. New users don't know about howto's or man pages. Or how to configure their CD's or DVD's to be usable without root password. This information should be made available on each new users installation.
Welcome to the world of security first, usablility second.
-- Robin Laing
