On 21/01/2011 02:51 πμ, Tim wrote: > > For the average user, it shouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't really > be noticeable, unless they're doing something stupid with their > computer. > Agreed . Well to be honest it felt kind of awkward this whole thing with Acrobat Reader , as i had no idea where this execstack stuff came from . But the thing is that the average user ( myself included ) does things that can be considered stupid by a more knowledgeable user , as the average user is unaware that what he is trying to do is stupid ( ok maybe running "rm -f * ", on root directory as root user would be an understandable error by everyone ) . > Umm, you're making us pay for your mess... Well there is a big IF here . IF i create a mess ( if we consider the very subject with which this thread was started , i wasn´t ). > You seem to be ignoring the point that others, who know much more > about it than you, have put a lot of effort into making a system much > more robust (against maliciousness, or stupidity). I get the feeling > that you're another of those that might go to the doctors, tell him > "I hurts when I do this," and completely ignore his, "well, don't do > that," advice. A bit wrong . If i know that something is wrong from the beginning then i just don´t do it . If i don´t know that what am doing is going to cause problems to others it´s quite possible that i will do it . Well basically if i had to rephrase i would just say this . A desktop computer which runs at home doesn´t necessarily need all the security restrictions that a computer in a company needs . It should allow the "end user" to do things that other computers don´t have to do . For example an SMTP server doesn´t need to have a pdf viewer at all , or mplayer , or any multimedia software open source or otherwise since there is no use for it . A desktop computer though may have multimedia software and other stuff that a server doesn´t need . To that effect also an SMTP server works with different ports than a Web Server and has different needs . -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines