Just curious, are you talking about rawhide or 64 bit? Please be a
On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> But there is a Fedora issue here. Why would anyone sane try to use
> bleeding-edge Fedora for multi-media web surfing?
little more specific. Otherwise, you could hit someone's hot-buttons.
(Mine, for instance.)
I'm talking about Fedora, which has no aim to be a Windows replacement, period.
> Use Windows
Begging your pardon?
F12 on 32 bit AMD is quite stable for me, although, if I could afford
> or install a real or virtual Ubuntu somewhere to do that kind of
> messing around.
the RAM and cpu and motherboard upgrade for virtualization (When did
the requirements shoot through the roof?) I'd definitely surf sandboxed.
(Even F12 on my iBook, well, gnash handles some of the Flash
dependent sites.)
The requirements for GUI Linux have been shooting through the roof for years.
Showing our biases, are we?
> Use the free Windows that came with your box
What bias. I hate Windows. If you want to see how the web looks to someone other than a geek, you have to use Windows.
It ain't free, and there are a lot of users here whose computers have
never booted MSWindows. (Well, my AMD box was tested at the store
with MSWIndows before they wiped it and turned it over to me, but not
since.)
You are asking a lot from your box.
Huge assumption, there, although, if we are talking 64 bit, maybe not
> and install a virtual Fedora box (assuming your system is up to it).
so huge.
If your system isn't up to it, then your system isn't up to it.
Many people's living arrangements don't allow for casually adding
> Run a separate Fedora box from your Windows box
another box.
Then maybe you have to make some choices about what to expect and what not to expect from your box.
Are you saying that because Adobe can't seem to fix the hole in their
> and import X applications from your Fedora box using Cygwin-X. The
> possibilities are almost endless, but there is one constant: keep
> Flash off your Fedora box.
Flash for GNU/Linux?
Or are you saying that because it's not stable on your system?
I'm saying that because Flash is nothing but a source of problems, even on Windows. I want to keep problems off my Fedora boxes so that I can count on a clean environment. I hate ever to agree with Steve Jobs, but, on this issue, I'm on his side. In any case, if you experience problems with Flash, don't blame it on the OS.
Heh. One of the myths about computers is that you can do anything at
> One of the myths about Linux is that you can do anything on
> downscale hardware.
all.
I'm not sure what to do with a comment like that, especially because I don't know how old you are. This is really not the forum, though, for a broad-ranging discussion of how limited computers really are, in part because of the ways we misuse them.
> If you're running an older box, some graphical applications willGraphical? As in the Gimp, or as in 3D modeling, or as in GUI?
> make your box show its age.
GUI.
I'm wondering what you mean by multi-media web surfing, because there
> An old box free of tons of graphical crap can still do amazing
> things in Linux. Set realistic expectations, don't expect magic,
> and use something other than Fedora for multi-media web surfing.
sure is a lot that falls under that label that my 1.6 MHz Sempron
2600 or whatever with only 760MB RAM or whatever after it pulls out
the video RAM (So, like, five or six years ago, isn't it?) handles
reasonably well.
We had agreed to that this is not the place to discuss Firefox. What you regard as "reasonably well" and what I would regard as reasonably well almost certainly aren't the same. Firefox has had its ups and downs.
Granted, there are many cases of websites that are intended only for
the latest-greatest hardware, and there are many websites that
deliberately target specific applications. If you're saying that
people who want to visit such sites should go prepared for what those
sites throw at you, I'll agree with that.
I myself wouldn't suggest raw MSWindows to anyone, but stuff it in a
VM, and you can visit the sites that are designed to use junk that
only runs on MSWindows sort of safely. If you really, really, really
want to. Sort of safely.
There isn't a safe way to surf the web, so far as I know.
Right now, Adobe's flash for GNU/Linux has problems, and gnash is,
well, always going to be a little behind unless Adobe decides to help
out in a major way. Speaking of which, if all Fedora users avoid
Flash, where does Adobe get their bug reports from?
If that's what you want to be doing with your life, have at it.
Robert.
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