Just collected all the data on all the systems I use with ATI cards, and the results are (mostly) not pretty: Fedora 12 systems with ATI cards: ATI Technologies Inc RV410 [Radeon X700 Pro (PCIE)] This one seems to work perfectly with the default installation (using KMS). This is the only ATI card in any of my systems that has no problems. (Fortunately this happens to be my "main" home system so it is good that this one works so well). ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] This is a true antique, an original Radeon All-In-Wonder card. The driver cannot do KMS on this so I get UMS even without putting the nomodeset option on the kernel command line. It sorta works, but lots of things render in a completely unreadable fashion. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522970 ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO] This is (unfortunately), my desktop at work. It crashed constantly until I started experimenting and finally discovered that I could switch to the radeonhd driver, turn off KMS, disable most driver acceleration, and finally get the system to work all the time (it hasn't crashed for a week or more since I made those changes). See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541387 And one ubuntu 9.10 system: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01) This is just a test machine, but when I installed with the defaults, background images wouldn't appear. Turning off all fancy screen effects modes finally made it work a bit better, but still little things often don't render correctly (buttons will be missing edges or not there at all, etc). I saw other reports of the same problems with the 9200 in the ubuntu forums. The most noticeable thing about all these cards is that older versions of linux have at one time or another all worked flawlessly with these cards. Where "flawless" means 2D plus 3D at least good enough to play non-demanding games like neverputt (maybe not demanding, but still hopeless with software rending). There have been ups and downs (the 7200 in particular stopped working completely for a while, and has only come back to function at all in the latest X), but the trend is unfortunately distinctly down at the moment. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines