> What we need is to take a year, devise some test programs people > can run to check the actual behavior of video cards against the > individual bits of information described in the docs, then encourage > folks to run the tests and report all the flaws in the docs which > we could then ask ati to explain (but that is unlikely to happen, > it is just a fantasy I have :-). What would be interesting, at least for me, would be a write up from someone who knows on how Fedora/Linux graphics development is being done, how many are actively working on it, what testing is being done and what direction it is going and any significant mile stones that are coming up. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that the graphics development is very ad-hoc and relatively un-tested. As mentioned above and others supporting the huge number of various graphics boards is hard. No single developer or group of developers can hope to have even a good percentage of the available graphics cards/chipsets to test releases on. On workstations, after a stable kernel and core shared libraries I think the stability of the graphics systems comes next. Due to the stronger implementation of graphics within the kernel (DRM, KMS etc.) with F12 I am now getting kernel panics, due to graphics, on a number of my systems. I have not had the experience of kernel panics under Linux for many many years (except when developing drivers myself :) ), This is bad. I really think that to get useful Linux/Fedora graphics drivers a more organised development system with more organised testing needs to be implemented. Probably the best way to get the testing done is by using the Fedora community users as they have most of the Graphics cards. But, what we need is some organisation/group to be responsible for the graphics system in Fedora, provide a simple to use test system and a web based reporting system that normal users can easily use. This would list graphics cards/chips used and failed/good tests. This organisation should closely work with the upstream graphics development providing testing feedback, issues and promoting certain goals etc. I think this should be combined with a graphics-testing package repository so those users who are willing to contribute to the testing, can get the latest graphics related updates and test them easily. Above all every one working and/or testing this should be able to see that things are improving and going in the right direction and the results. A years push, by as many as possible, could see some real advances. Obviously this would take some resources, but considering the state of Graphics in Linux, I would have thought some commercial enterprises might help with some funding ? -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines