Hi; NetworkManager has apparently screwed up a lot of small Gnome processes. * Trouble with Evo getting itself stuck in downloading mail (looping ??). * Clock applet not getting task and calendar info from Evolution properly. * I have been told that NM configuration info and keys should be in my gconf-editor. They are not. * A couple of other little things (I forget now) not operating properly after turning NetworkManager off and on. I will see if I can get help with NetworkManager on the networkmanager-list@xxxxxxxxx , but meanwhile, so as to avoid asking really stupid questions in more than one place. Is the 'network' service supposed to be running while the NetworkManager service is on? Is it compiled into the kernel? I thought it was a module? Are those questions even relevant? ps aux shows NetworkManager but no 'network' or friends. The command line shows: ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 ]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] and then; ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 There is no Fedora manual or 'Help' for NetworkManager 'man NetworkManager' produces only: "DESCRIPTION The NetworkManager daemon attempts to keep an active network connection available at all times. The point of NetworkManager is to make networking configuration and setup as painless and automatic as possible. If using DHCP, NetworkManager is intended to replace default routes,obtain IP addresses from a DHCP server, and change nameservers whenever it sees fit, with the aim of making networking Just Work." nm-tool shows me no more info than is available in the NM gui. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/NetworkManager simply tells me how to configure for pam. My pam.d/gdm is auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so session optional pam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start googled sites gives info for gentoo and mandrivia only. I am stumped. I will re-ask on the NetworkManager list, but first I would like to straighten out in my mind the network vs NetworkManger services thing. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list