-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Allen Meyers" <chef11994@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > I am new to both linux and fedora and I dearly love what I have experienced > thus far except for e-mail. Now because I receive a fair share and must > answer it would be nice to be able to do so from my linux program, but that > has eluded me thus far. > My DSL and e-mail provider is att yahoo and I get these nasty notes that I > am sending and receiving not within the scope of their SSL protocol. Would > they shut me down? I have not a clue. Is there anyone out there with a > viable option. Would I not experience the same thing with a fetch it program > of some sort. > > Allen > Allen, You hijacked another thread. Don't do this please, it creates confusion. Another thing, don't post at the top, do it at the bottom. It's easier to follow up this way. To answer your question. You won't get shut down. You're the only one at risk if you're not using SSL (encryption) for your emails. They're just warning you, I guess. Using Evolution in Linux, set up your account to use TLS or SSL in security where it says Use Secure Connection. In Authentication Type, click on the button that says "Check for Supported Types". It'll communicate with the server and let you know which type of security you can select from the drop down menu next to the button. You have to do the same for both outgoing and incoming mail. You need to know the address for your servers, both incoming and outgoing mail servers. Incoming is either POP or IMAP, outgoing is SMTP. I give you the name of the protocols in case they send it like that and you get confused as what is what. Hope this helps. EJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:18 PM > Subject: fedora-list Digest, Vol 53, Issue 72 > > > > Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? (max) > > 2. Re: Again - F9 default web browser (Barry Yu) > > 3. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? > > (Bruno Wolff III) > > 4. No streams available (Colin Paul Adams) > > 5. Re: sendmail (Bill Davidsen) > > 6. Re: No streams available (Colin Paul Adams) > > 7. Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ?? (Bill Davidsen) > > 8. Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? (Bill Davidsen) > > 9. [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey) > > 10. NetworkManager working only for root user. (Eby John) > > 11. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Phil Meyer) > > 12. Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug (Paul Smith) > > 13. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? (William Case) > > 14. Re: F9: Problem with Services tool (Dan Thurman) > > 15. Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new > > partition table (F9) (Nat Gross) > > 16. Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse > > (Deron Meranda) > > 17. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:04:09 -0400 > > From: max <maximilianbianco@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874E179.90305@xxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Andrew Kelly wrote: > >> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 08:35 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > >>> On Monday 07 July 2008 20:37:33 Tom Horsley wrote: > >>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:51:51 +0100 > >>>> > >>>> Alan Cox <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>>> Binary modules usually last only a few releases before changes in the > >>>>> kernel break them by accident anyway so I would assume that if a > >>>>> binary > >>>>> driver vendor goes under the clock is ticking. > >>>> I wouldn't say "by accident" - It has been my experience that > >>>> most of the time, the breakage is not only highly deliberate, but > >>>> triggered mostly by the high incidence of extreme OCD which kernel > >>>> developers seem to suffer from, causing them to make fantastic > >>>> wholesale changes to driver interfaces for utterly trivial > >>>> cosmetic reasons which add no stability or functionality, but > >>>> merely relieve their obsessive need to correct some "flaw" which > >>>> no one else can perceive :-). > >>> Why is it considered OK to insult people on a mailing list, when you > >>> wouldn't > >>> to their face? > >>> > >>> Anne > >> > >> It's not actually considered OK, Anne, it's just human nature at work > >> and continuing evidence of the decline of society. People often lose > >> their decorum when there is no immediate need to display it, which is a > >> direct result of people adopting specific behavior NOT because it is > >> correct or acceptable, but because they are wary or in fear of the > >> consequences if they do not. And THAT mindset is the direct result of > >> society's choice to attempt to legislate morality rather than live it or > >> breath it, or teach it by example. > >> > >> [panpan panpan panpan] > >> Big soap box there, gotta get off quick before I type my fingers > >> bloody.. > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't know you, Anne, but I like you already. > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> > > Which book do you often recommend reading? It doesn't have to be > > technical. > > > > Max > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Barry Yu <barryyu-cts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Again - F9 default web browser > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <707152.78290.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > Anne Wilson <cannewilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2008 > > 15:32:24 Barry Yu wrote: > >> In System => Preferences => Personal => Preferred Applications, the > >> Firefox > >> is already been selected as default web browser and the firefox icon is > >> showing on top panel, however everytime when I made some web links as > >> short > >> cut on desktop and I clicked on it, the Kongueror is always brought up > >> instead of Firefox. Same computer previous F8 had no such strange thing. > > > > Is this F9+ KDE? If so, System Settings > Advanced tab > File > > Associations. > > Put html into the search box and check the settings for each entry - xhtml > > and html. > > > > Anne > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > No, I logged into GNOME desktop, must be a weird thing in F9 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20080709/1dd8dfb5/attach > ment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:21:05 -0500 > > From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@xxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? > > To: William Case <billlinux@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: Fedora List <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <20080709162105.GA27368@xxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400, > > William Case <billlinux@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program or > >> applet that can find you anywhere? What, from your personal experience, > >> would you recommend? > > > > Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:28:57 +0100 > > From: Colin Paul Adams <colin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: No streams available > > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > Message-ID: <m3vdzff2d2.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64 box. But it > > said problem with audio playback when i tried to make a call. > > > > So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble. > > > > Why doesn't sound work? > > -- > > Colin Adams > > Preston Lancashire > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:35:57 -0400 > > From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: sendmail > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874E8ED.4060507@xxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > chloe K wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> how can I resend the undeliverable from 5 days to 3 days > >> > > Doesn't your sendmail retry by itself every once in a while? Mine all > > do, I'll occasionally get a warning email that a message couldn't be > > delivered for 4 hours, and later I get a reply, so I know it was > > delivered. > > > > I think my FC[89] sendmail is stock, save for listening on all addresses > > so I can get incoming mail. > > > > -- > > Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from > > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:34:53 +0100 > > From: Colin Paul Adams <colin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: No streams available > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <m3r6a3f236.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams <colin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > > Colin> I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64 > > Colin> box. But it said problem with audio playback when i tried > > Colin> to make a call. > > > > Colin> So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble. > > > > Colin> Why doesn't sound work? > > > > Hm. Audacity works. So does RythmBox. I guess it's not so simple. > > -- > > Colin Adams > > Preston Lancashire > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:44:43 -0400 > > From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ?? > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874EAFB.6030502@xxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > William Case wrote: > >> Thanks Patrick; > >> > >> Just a little note below that does not require a response. > >> > >> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 08:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 13:05 -0400, William Case wrote: > >>>> Hi Max and Patrick; > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:16 -0400, William Case wrote: > >>>>>> Hi; > >> [snip] > >>>> I have been thinking about your suggestions all morning. I have > >>>> decided > >>>> to develop the following strategy. If you have a better suggestion let > >>>> me know. > >>>> > >>>> 1) Start by using mainly cut and paste from wherever I can find info. > >>>> 2) Using NoteCase in conjunction with FreeMind to begin organizing data > >>>> conceptually and storing the details. > >>>> 3) Begin with hardware (and perhaps the prerequisite drivers even if > >>>> drivers are technically software) so that I can develop a basic > >>>> understanding of the physical limitations and problems that software > >>>> has > >>>> to overcome for each different type of use. > >>>> 4) As I go through the hardware list, perhaps I will pickup the > >>>> applicability and use of various pieces of software. > >>>> 5) So far I have the following list of hardware, off the top of my > >>>> head, > >>>> that seems to play a role: > >>>> RJ45; Twisted Pair Cable > >>>> CATV; Coaxial Cable > >>>> USB > >>>> Wireless > >>>> NIC > >>>> RAM (how used for sockets, caches, DMA etc. by media hardware) > >>>> Audio Card/Chip > >>>> Video Card/chip > >>>> CD/DVD Drive > >>>> CD Disk > >>>> DVD Disk > >>>> Digital Still Picture Camera > >>>> Digital Video Camera > >>>> WebCam > >>>> TV Tuners > >>>> > >>>> Any suggestions of additions or deletions gratefully accepted. > >>> You'll end up writing the Encyclopedia of Computer Hardware. Very much > >>> off the top if my head, I think it would be better first to establish a > >>> frame of reference: start with a quick survey of the basic principles of > >>> digital media, such as the A/D and D/A conversion, compression and > >>> packetizing techniques, streaming, buffering and synchronization, then a > >>> discussion of the various popular wrapper formats (Quicktime, Real, > >>> Flash, DVD etc.). After that, you can get into specifics of how the > >>> multiple architectures that have evolved allow us to deal with all this > >>> (or not). > >> > >> I have popped your suggestions into my outline. I have to find out what > >> A/D and D/A conversion is. (I haven't looked it up yet). > > > > Analog to digital, digital to analog. One and zeros vs. voltage, more or > > less. > >> > >> Actually, I have managed to read and cut and paste about half the > >> hardware specs and/or data sheets since yesterday. It is not that > >> difficult for me. I have traced already how basic I/O, how CPU and > >> memory work; from wall plug to initd. I now know where to look for > >> tutorials, manuals, data sheets and schematics for most computer > >> hardware and software parts and pieces now. I have taught myself C so I > >> could read source code. I used to make my living analyzing programs, > >> policies and businesses; pulling them apart and putting them back > >> together looking for logic gaps and then documenting my findings. I am > >> retired so I have the time; and I enjoy coming to understand new things; > >> and get extremely frustrated when I don't. > >> > >> If I keep everything focused on my own system, as it currently exists, > >> it shouldn't be that difficult and could be useful to others. My system > >> is no where out of the norm. > >> > >> Bragging a little; and putting things into perspective for me and you. > >> > > > > > > -- > > Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from > > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:47:09 -0400 > > From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: oh2dt@xxxxxxx > > Message-ID: <4874EB8D.6090203@xxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Anne Wilson wrote: > >> On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:39:58 Antti J. Huhtala wrote: > >>> to, 2008-07-03 kello 20:19 +0100, Anne Wilson kirjoitti: > >>>> On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:08:25 William Case wrote: > >>>>> I am somewhat of a media newbie. In F8 I was able to setup/get sound > >>>>> with videos. YouTube and CNN for example, remain silent for me in F9. > >>>> Silly question, Bill. Have you looked at mixer settings? It seems > >>>> that > >>>> there are many hidden channels on a lot of sound card, hidden, that is, > >>>> on the mixer applet, so it's possible that PCM or some such is muted or > >>>> set very low. > >>>> > >>>> Anne > >>> It's not quite that simple, I'm afraid. CNN and Youtube are silent here, > >>> too. A week or so ago I was listening to some favourites of mine on > >>> Youtube but today it is silent even if video still works all right. I'd > >>> suspect one of the recent updates. This may have something to do with > >>> another thread, "Re: problems with rhythmbox after updating to > >>> udev-124-1.fc9.1"- > >>> > >> Hmm - I can't check my Fedora box tonight, but I'll look at it tomorrow. > >> > > Mine worked. > > > > -- > > Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from > > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:45:01 -0400 > > From: Don Levey <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874EB0D.8080208@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when I > > ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get is: > > > > GRUB > > > > at the top left of my screen. Does this mean I need to reinstall grub > > and the MBR? I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems* > > OK from what I can tell. Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > -Don > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:47:54 +0000 > > From: "Eby John" <ebyjohn@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: NetworkManager working only for root user. > > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > Message-ID: > > <69dcb7b80807090947y1164149bn4b61fd6f514cfe67@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > i am using fc9. networkmanager does not show up on the taskbar if am > > logged > > in as a normal user. how do i enable it for everyone? > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20080709/4ce52e1c/attach > ment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:56:46 -0600 > > From: Phil Meyer <pmeyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? > > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874EDCE.5000503@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Don Levey wrote: > >> My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when > >> I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get > >> is: > >> > >> GRUB > >> > >> at the top left of my screen. Does this mean I need to reinstall grub > >> and the MBR? I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems* > >> OK from what I can tell. Any thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -Don > >> > > > > This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order. > > > > First things to check: > > > > Do you have a USB drive plugged in? A camera, ipod, memory card, or > > thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS. Unplug them before > > powering on the system and you might boot normally. > > > > Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted? > > Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you booted? > > Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot > > process? > > > > All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different > > drive order to grub. > > Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and > > then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order > > than the existing one. > > > > To repair the MBR: > > > > boot a rescue CD > > # chroot /mnt/sysimage > > # grub-install /dev/sda > > > > On some systems, it has been necessary to use old arguments: > > > > # grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda > > > > # exit > > > > That should do it. > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:59:40 +0100 > > From: "Paul Smith" <phhs80@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug > > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: > > <6ade6f6c0807090959m323949een1432bf0c9e7121d8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Dear All, > > > > Could you please suggest to me a Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug: > > > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254 > > > > The extension Unplug does not work with Firefox 3.0, unfortunately. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:00:43 -0400 > > From: William Case <billlinux@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? > > To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@xxxxxxxx> > > Cc: Fedora List <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <1215622843.12233.75.camel@CASE> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Thanks Bruno; > > > > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 11:21 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400, > >> William Case <billlinux@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > > >> > Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program > >> > or > >> > applet that can find you anywhere? What, from your personal > >> > experience, > >> > would you recommend? > >> > >> Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention. > > > > Great idea! No, no really. > > > > Ever since I got your post, I have been chuckling to myself over the > > image of how mad I would be at myself if I actually put it into > > operation. > > > > I just might try it! > > > > -- > > Regards Bill; > > Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 > > Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:05:02 -0700 > > From: Dan Thurman <dant@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: F9: Problem with Services tool > > To: For users of Fedora-List <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874EFBE.7070401@xxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > >> > >> Somehow, the system-conf-services tool stopped working. > >> Starting this brings up the tool, it hangs with a blank list > >> and 'No services selected' in a greyed out right panel. > >> > >> I tried to remove and reinstall system-conf-services but > >> it does not help. > >> > >> What can I do to fix this? > >> > > Why hasn't anyone responded? I have been working on trying to figure > > out this > > tough nut and cannot understand WHY system-config-services is not working! > > > > Can someone please give me a pointer in the right direction, short of > > re-installing > > F9? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 15 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:09:23 -0400 > > From: "Nat Gross" <nat101l@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new > > partition table (F9) > > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: > > <cf66298c0807091009m48ff63a7s822dff62dde312d0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nat Gross <nat101l@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Alan Cox <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> wrote: > >>>> However. Anaconda does not. > >>>> Anyhow the error Anaconda is giving me now is: could not stat > >>>> "/dev/mapper/nvidia_hbhfegci". > >>> > >>> It saw it and then something went wrong. > >> It allowed me the choice of software to install. > >> I went thru the details, it started the normal install pkg x of y and > >> after a few minutes, stopped cold. > >> The subsequent attempts does not get that far. It hangs at the > >> "formatting" display message. > >>> > >>>> When I choose cancel twice, it continues and shows me both drives > >>>> available for install. > >>>> Regardless if I choose the 1st, 2nd, or both, it hangs cold in the the > >>>> middle of "formatting". > >>>> Do I need a special driver for this drive controller? How do I get > >>>> Anaconda to see it (if and when I find such a driver)? > >>> > >>> You don't. It should just work. What else is on the same controller and > >>> do you have > 4GB RAM ? > >> On the same controller I have a TSST CDDVDW TS-H653N dvd/cd drive. > >> In Vista Device Manager--->Storage Controllers it shows: > >> 1. Microsoft iSCSI initiator. > >> 2. NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller. > >> 3. NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller. > >> Right-clicking Properties for 1 & 2 simply displays software driver > >> stuff. > >> Right-clicking Properties for 3, also brings up 6 additional tabs, > >> port 0-port5, with 0 & 1 for the drives, and 2 for the cd/dvd. > >> > >> Ram. Yes. 6 gig of ram. > >> > > =======>>> SOLVED! <<<=================================== > > It has been a while and due to this problem I have tried *many* distros. > > (My first time straying from Red Hat flavor, due to this problem.) > > Although some distros actually complete the install, they were also > > UNUSABLE due to cold-hangs in middle working. Then, by mistake, I > > installed a 32 bit version of a distro whose 64 bit version was giving > > me problems, and .... voila!, no problems. > > > > I figured, why not redo the entire thing with Fedora 9 32 bit? I did. > > Everything went smoothly, including the install, automatic dmraid, > > automatic using nVidia Raid (fake) drivers, etcetera. (I did not > > install kde because the installer does not differentiate between kde 3 > > or kde 4.) System came up, yumed it up, and has been performing rock > > solid for about a week now. (Some audio problems, but thats another > > story.) > > > > So, it seems like a KERNEL problem (tried many distros) for 64 bit > > systems with more than 4GB ram. > > (Or is it the queer 6GB ram boundary? 8 GB would have been ok?) > > Since 32 bit systems use 4GB max, there is no problem. > > I tested all the ram with extended tests and it passed, so hardware is ok. > > > > As a side-note, the Livna repos for nVidia for Fedora 9 is a godsend. > > Hope this helps... and somehow gets me closer to utilize all my ram. > > nat > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:15:29 -0400 > > From: "Deron Meranda" <deron.meranda@xxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse > > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: > > <5c06fa770807091015o2e7e8656wabde8426f4bb460@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Kappelmueller > > <tkappelmueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I completely solved this problem by doing this: > >> "yum install xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd" > > > > I can't use the radeonhd driver because it doesn't support or > > detect my card. The radeonhd only detects R5xx/R6xx based > > cards, so radeonhd is not an alternative for the radeon driver > > unless you happen to have a card which is in the overlap > > of the supported list. > > > > Reading the man page for radeonhd(4), it says that the > > driver doesn't yet support 2-D acceleration! So I suspect > > that may have more to do with its apparent stability for you > > than it being a different driver. As so far it seems that all > > the hanging problems we've seen appear to have something > > to do with 2-D acceleration. > > > > Strangely, I had been using the original radeon driver > > (without disabling any features) for about 2 weeks and it > > has not hung on me like it used to do frequently. I had > > started X via startx command, and not run level 5. > > (Incidentally, startx seems to work fine except it doesn't pick > > up any customized key mappings. I for instance set my > > caps lock to be ctrl. Starting via gdm uses my settings, but > > via startx does not... any ideas?) > > > > However I finally rebooted today (into run level 5) and then > > Xorg hung within 5 minutes...I wasn't even using the mouse, > > I just had a single terminal window open that was tail'ing > > a log file (and hence was scrolling text on its own). > > > > There were a lot of X and Gnome related RPM updates > > pushed today for Fedora 9; so I installed them all and will > > see if that makes any difference. > > > > -- > > Deron Meranda > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:17:48 -0400 > > From: Don Levey <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? > > To: phil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, For users of Fedora > > <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Message-ID: <4874F2BC.70906@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Phil Meyer wrote: > >> Don Levey wrote: > >>> My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when > >>> I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get > >>> is: > >>> > >>> GRUB > >>> > >>> at the top left of my screen. Does this mean I need to reinstall grub > >>> and the MBR? I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems* > >>> OK from what I can tell. Any thoughts? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> -Don > >>> > >> > >> This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order. > >> > >> First things to check: > >> > >> Do you have a USB drive plugged in? A camera, ipod, memory card, or > >> thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS. Unplug them before > >> powering on the system and you might boot normally. > >> > > I have an external drive *nearby* but not plugged in. Nothing else > > except the network cable is plugged in. > > > >> Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted? > >> Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you > >> booted? > >> Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot > >> process? > >> > > No modifications at all. But perhaps hitting F1 to "force"/reset the > > order would work? > > > >> All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different > >> drive order to grub. > >> Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and > >> then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order > >> than the existing one. > >> > > OK, so it sounds like this shouldn't be necessary, but... > > I've just checked the BIOS; no changes or weirdness detected. But > > clearly we're getting to the drive because it's at least *starting* > > grub, isn't it? > > > > I guess I'll try the MBR reinstall. Thanks again! > > -Don > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > > End of fedora-list Digest, Vol 53, Issue 72 > > ******************************************* > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
