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I am new to both linux and fedora and I dearly love what I have experienced thus far except for e-mail. Now because I receive a fair share and must answer it would be nice to be able to do so from my linux program, but that has eluded me thus far. My DSL and e-mail provider is att yahoo and I get these nasty notes that I am sending and receiving not within the scope of their SSL protocol. Would they shut me down? I have not a clue. Is there anyone out there with a viable option. Would I not experience the same thing with a fetch it program of some sort.
Allen

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? (max)
  2. Re: Again - F9 default web browser (Barry Yu)
  3. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
     (Bruno Wolff III)
  4. No streams available (Colin Paul Adams)
  5. Re: sendmail (Bill Davidsen)
  6. Re: No streams available (Colin Paul Adams)
  7. Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ?? (Bill Davidsen)
  8. Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? (Bill Davidsen)
  9. [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey)
 10. NetworkManager working only for root user. (Eby John)
 11. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Phil Meyer)
 12. Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug (Paul Smith)
 13. Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? (William Case)
 14. Re: F9: Problem with Services tool (Dan Thurman)
 15. Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new
     partition table (F9) (Nat Gross)
 16. Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
     (Deron Meranda)
 17. Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR? (Don Levey)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:04:09 -0400
From: max <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Andrew Kelly wrote:
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 08:35 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 07 July 2008 20:37:33 Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:51:51 +0100

Alan Cox <[email protected]> wrote:
Binary modules usually last only a few releases before changes in the
kernel break them by accident anyway so I would assume that if a binary
driver vendor goes under the clock is ticking.
I wouldn't say "by accident" - It has been my experience that
most of the time, the breakage is not only highly deliberate, but
triggered mostly by the high incidence of extreme OCD which kernel
developers seem to suffer from, causing them to make fantastic
wholesale changes to driver interfaces for utterly trivial
cosmetic reasons which add no stability or functionality, but
merely relieve their obsessive need to correct some "flaw" which
no one else can perceive :-).
Why is it considered OK to insult people on a mailing list, when you wouldn't
to their face?

Anne
It's not actually considered OK, Anne, it's just human nature at work
and continuing evidence of the decline of society. People often lose
their decorum when there is no immediate need to display it, which is a
direct result of people adopting specific behavior NOT because it is
correct or acceptable, but because they are wary or in fear of the
consequences if they do not. And THAT mindset is the direct result of
society's choice to attempt to legislate morality rather than live it or
breath it, or teach it by example.

[panpan panpan panpan]
Big soap box there, gotta get off quick before I type my fingers
bloody..



I don't know you, Anne, but I like you already.

Andy


Which book do you often recommend reading? It doesn't have to be technical.
Max



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Yu <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Again - F9 default web browser
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



Anne Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2008 15:32:24 Barry Yu wrote:
In System => Preferences => Personal => Preferred Applications, the Firefox
is already been selected as default web browser and the firefox icon is
showing on top panel, however everytime when I made some web links as short
cut on desktop and I clicked on it, the Kongueror is always brought up
instead of Firefox. Same computer previous F8 had no such strange thing.
Is this F9+ KDE? If so, System Settings > Advanced tab > File
Associations.
Put html into the search box and check the settings for each entry - xhtml
and html.

Anne

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:21:05 -0500
From: Bruno Wolff III <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
To: William Case <[email protected]>
Cc: Fedora List <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400,
 William Case <[email protected]> wrote:
Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program or
applet that can find you anywhere?  What, from your personal experience,
would you recommend?
Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention.



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:28:57 +0100
From: Colin Paul Adams <[email protected]>
Subject: No streams available
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64 box. But it
said problem with audio playback when i tried to make a call.

So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble.

Why doesn't sound work?
--
Colin Adams
Preston Lancashire



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:35:57 -0400
From: Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: sendmail
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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chloe K wrote:
Hi all

how can I resend the undeliverable from 5 days to 3 days

Doesn't your sendmail retry by itself every once in a while? Mine all
do, I'll occasionally get a warning email that a message couldn't be
delivered for 4 hours, and later I get a reply, so I know it was delivered.
I think my FC[89] sendmail is stock, save for listening on all addresses
so I can get incoming mail.

--
Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
  "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:34:53 +0100
From: Colin Paul Adams <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: No streams available
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

"Colin" == Colin Paul Adams <[email protected]> writes:
   Colin> I just tried installing skype 2.0 on my Fedora 9 x86_64
   Colin> box. But it said problem with audio playback when i tried
   Colin> to make a call.

   Colin> So I opened the ALSA mixer. It says no streams avaialble.

   Colin> Why doesn't sound work?

Hm. Audacity works. So does RythmBox. I guess it's not so simple.
--
Colin Adams
Preston Lancashire



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:44:43 -0400
From: Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning idle queries ??
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

William Case wrote:
Thanks Patrick;

Just a little note below that does not require a response.

On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 08:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 13:05 -0400, William Case wrote:
Hi Max and Patrick;

On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 10:16 -0400, William Case wrote:
Hi;
[snip]
I have been thinking about your suggestions all morning. I have decided
to develop the following strategy.  If you have a better suggestion let
me know.

1) Start by using mainly cut and paste from wherever I can find info.
2) Using NoteCase in conjunction with FreeMind to begin organizing data
conceptually and storing the details.
3) Begin with hardware (and perhaps the prerequisite drivers even if
drivers are technically software) so that I can develop a basic
understanding of the physical limitations and problems that software has
to overcome for each different type of use.
4) As I go through the hardware list, perhaps I will pickup the
applicability and use of various pieces of software.
5) So far I have the following list of hardware, off the top of my head,
that seems to play a role:
        RJ45; Twisted Pair Cable
        CATV; Coaxial Cable
        USB
        Wireless
        NIC
        RAM (how used for sockets, caches, DMA etc. by media hardware)
        Audio Card/Chip
        Video Card/chip
        CD/DVD Drive
        CD Disk
        DVD Disk
        Digital Still Picture Camera
        Digital Video Camera
        WebCam
        TV Tuners

        Any suggestions of additions or deletions gratefully accepted.
You'll end up writing the Encyclopedia of Computer Hardware. Very much
off the top if my head, I think it would be better first to establish a
frame of reference: start with a quick survey of the basic principles of
digital media, such as the A/D and D/A conversion, compression and
packetizing techniques, streaming, buffering and synchronization, then a
discussion of the various popular wrapper formats (Quicktime, Real,
Flash, DVD etc.). After that, you can get into specifics of how the
multiple architectures that have evolved allow us to deal with all this
(or not).
I have popped your suggestions into my outline.  I have to find out what
A/D and D/A conversion is.  (I haven't looked it up yet).
Analog to digital, digital to analog. One and zeros vs. voltage, more or
less.
Actually, I have managed to read and cut and paste about half the
hardware specs and/or data sheets since yesterday.  It is not that
difficult for me.  I have traced already how basic I/O, how CPU and
memory work; from wall plug to initd.  I now know where to look for
tutorials, manuals, data sheets and schematics for most computer
hardware and software parts and pieces now.  I have taught myself C so I
could read source code.  I used to make my living analyzing programs,
policies and businesses; pulling them apart and putting them back
together looking for logic gaps and then documenting my findings.  I am
retired so I have the time; and I enjoy coming to understand new things;
and get extremely frustrated when I don't.

If I keep everything focused on my own system, as it currently exists,
it shouldn't be that difficult and could be useful to others.  My system
is no where out of the norm.

Bragging a little; and putting things into perspective for me and you.


--
Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
  "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:47:09 -0400
From: Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Can't get CNN video sound ??
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:39:58 Antti J. Huhtala wrote:
to, 2008-07-03 kello 20:19 +0100, Anne Wilson kirjoitti:
On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:08:25 William Case wrote:
I am somewhat of a media newbie.  In F8 I was able to setup/get sound
with videos.  YouTube and CNN for example, remain silent for me in F9.
Silly question, Bill. Have you looked at mixer settings? It seems that
there are many hidden channels on a lot of sound card, hidden, that is,
on the mixer applet, so it's possible that PCM or some such is muted or
set very low.

Anne
It's not quite that simple, I'm afraid. CNN and Youtube are silent here,
too. A week or so ago I was listening to some favourites of mine on
Youtube but today it is silent even if video still works all right. I'd
suspect one of the recent updates. This may have something to do with
another thread, "Re: problems with rhythmbox after updating to
udev-124-1.fc9.1"-

Hmm - I can't check my Fedora box tonight, but I'll look at it tomorrow.

Mine worked.

--
Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
  "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:45:01 -0400
From: Don Levey <[email protected]>
Subject: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when I
ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get is:

GRUB

at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,
 -Don



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:47:54 +0000
From: "Eby John" <[email protected]>
Subject: NetworkManager working only for root user.
To: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

i am using fc9. networkmanager does not show up on the taskbar if am logged
in as a normal user. how do i enable it for everyone?
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:56:46 -0600
From: Phil Meyer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
To: For users of Fedora <[email protected]xxxx>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Don Levey wrote:
My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when
I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get
is:

    GRUB

at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,
 -Don

This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order.

First things to check:

Do you have a USB drive plugged in?  A camera, ipod, memory card, or
thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS.  Unplug them before
powering on the system and you might boot normally.

Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted?
Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you booted?
Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot
process?

All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different
drive order to grub.
Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and
then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order
than the existing one.

To repair the MBR:

boot a rescue CD
# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# grub-install /dev/sda

On some systems, it has been necessary to use old arguments:

# grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda

# exit

That should do it.

Good luck!



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:59:40 +0100
From: "Paul Smith" <[email protected]>
Subject: Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug
To: "For users of Fedora" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Dear All,

Could you please suggest to me a Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254

The extension Unplug does not work with Firefox 3.0, unfortunately.

Thanks in advance,

Paul



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:00:43 -0400
From: William Case <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
To: Bruno Wolff III <[email protected]>
Cc: Fedora List <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Thanks Bruno;

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 11:21 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400,
  William Case <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program > or > applet that can find you anywhere? What, from your personal > experience,
> would you recommend?

Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention.
Great idea!  No, no really.

Ever since I got your post, I have been chuckling to myself over the
image of how mad I would be at myself if I actually put it into
operation.

I just might try it!

--
Regards Bill;
Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2
Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:05:02 -0700
From: Dan Thurman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: F9: Problem with Services tool
To: For users of Fedora-List <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
Somehow, the system-conf-services tool stopped working.
Starting this brings up the tool, it hangs with a blank list
and 'No services selected' in a greyed out right panel.

I tried to remove and reinstall system-conf-services but
it does not help.

What can I do to fix this?

Why hasn't anyone responded?  I have been working on trying to figure
out this
tough nut and cannot understand WHY system-config-services is not working!

Can someone please give me a pointer in the right direction, short of
re-installing
F9?

Thanks!
Dan



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:09:23 -0400
From: "Nat Gross" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How long does it take Anaconda to write / format new
partition table (F9)
To: "For users of Fedora" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nat Gross <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Alan Cox <[email protected]> wrote:
However. Anaconda does not.
Anyhow the error Anaconda is giving me now is: could not stat
"/dev/mapper/nvidia_hbhfegci".
It saw it and then something went wrong.
It allowed me the choice of software to install.
I went thru the details, it started the normal install pkg x of y and
after a few minutes, stopped cold.
The subsequent attempts does not get that far. It hangs at the
"formatting" display message.
When I choose cancel twice, it continues and shows me both drives
available for install.
Regardless if I choose the 1st, 2nd, or both, it hangs cold in the the
middle of "formatting".
Do I need a special driver for this drive controller? How do I get
Anaconda to see it (if and when I find such a driver)?
You don't. It should just work. What else is on the same controller and
do you have > 4GB RAM ?
On the same controller I have a TSST CDDVDW TS-H653N dvd/cd drive.
In Vista Device Manager--->Storage Controllers it shows:
1. Microsoft iSCSI initiator.
2. NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller.
3. NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller.
Right-clicking Properties for 1 & 2 simply displays software driver stuff.
Right-clicking Properties for 3, also brings up 6 additional tabs,
port 0-port5, with 0 & 1 for the drives, and 2 for the cd/dvd.

Ram. Yes. 6 gig of ram.

=======>>> SOLVED! <<<===================================
It has been a while and due to this problem I have tried *many* distros.
(My first time straying from Red Hat flavor, due to this problem.)
Although some distros actually complete the install, they were also
UNUSABLE due to cold-hangs in middle working. Then, by mistake, I
installed a 32 bit version of a distro whose 64 bit version was giving
me problems, and .... voila!, no problems.

I figured, why not redo the entire thing with Fedora 9 32 bit? I did.
Everything went smoothly, including the install, automatic dmraid,
automatic using nVidia Raid (fake) drivers, etcetera. (I did not
install kde because the installer does not differentiate between kde 3
or kde 4.) System came up, yumed it up, and has been performing rock
solid for about a week now. (Some audio problems, but thats another
story.)

So, it seems like a KERNEL problem (tried many distros) for 64 bit
systems with more than 4GB ram.
(Or is it the queer 6GB ram boundary? 8 GB would have been ok?)
Since 32 bit systems use 4GB max, there is no problem.
I tested all the ram with extended tests and it passed, so hardware is ok.

As a side-note, the Livna repos for nVidia for Fedora 9 is a godsend.
Hope this helps... and somehow gets me closer to utilize all my ram.
nat



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:15:29 -0400
From: "Deron Meranda" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
To: "For users of Fedora" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Kappelmueller
<[email protected]> wrote:
I completely solved this problem by doing this:
"yum install xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd"
I can't use the radeonhd driver because it doesn't support or
detect my card.  The radeonhd only detects R5xx/R6xx based
cards, so radeonhd is not an alternative for the radeon driver
unless you happen to have a card which is in the overlap
of the supported list.

Reading the man page for radeonhd(4), it says that the
driver doesn't yet support 2-D acceleration!  So I suspect
that may have more to do with its apparent stability for you
than it being a different driver.  As so far it seems that all
the hanging problems we've seen appear to have something
to do with 2-D acceleration.

Strangely, I had been using the original radeon driver
(without disabling any features) for about 2 weeks and it
has not hung on me like it used to do frequently.  I had
started X via startx command, and not run level 5.
(Incidentally, startx seems to work fine except it doesn't pick
up any customized key mappings.  I for instance set my
caps lock to be ctrl.  Starting via gdm uses my settings, but
via startx does not... any ideas?)

However I finally rebooted today (into run level 5) and then
Xorg hung within 5 minutes...I wasn't even using the mouse,
I just had a single terminal window open that was tail'ing
a log file (and hence was scrolling text on its own).

There were a lot of X and Gnome related RPM updates
pushed today for Fedora 9; so I installed them all and will
see if that makes any difference.

--
Deron Meranda



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:17:48 -0400
From: Don Levey <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [F9] laptop not booting - reinstall MBR?
To: [email protected], For users of Fedora
<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Phil Meyer wrote:
Don Levey wrote:
My F9 laptop won't boot this morning - I go through the POST, but when
I ordinarily get to the "Hit Enter for options" boot screen, all I get
is:

    GRUB

at the top left of my screen.  Does this mean I need to reinstall grub
and the MBR?  I can access the HD via a liveCD, and everything *seems*
OK from what I can tell.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,
 -Don

This condition occurs whenever the BIOS changes the drive order.

First things to check:

Do you have a USB drive plugged in?  A camera, ipod, memory card, or
thumb drive may all have this affect on some BIOS.  Unplug them before
powering on the system and you might boot normally.

I have an external drive *nearby* but not plugged in. Nothing else
except the network cable is plugged in.

Did you add an internal hard drive since the last time you booted?
Did you make any modifications to the BIOS since the last time you booted?
Did the BIOS battery expire and force you to hit F1 to continue the boot
process?

No modifications at all.  But perhaps hitting F1 to "force"/reset the
order would work?

All of these factors, and more, can cause the BIOS to report a different
drive order to grub.
Only in the case of a new drive should you be forced to fix the MBR, and
then only if the BIOS insists on calling the new drive a lower order
than the existing one.

OK, so it sounds like this shouldn't be necessary, but...
I've just checked the BIOS; no changes or weirdness detected.  But
clearly we're getting to the drive because it's at least *starting*
grub, isn't it?

I guess I'll try the MBR reinstall.  Thanks again!
 -Don



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