On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 09:37 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:46:41 -0500, > "David G. Mackay" <mackay_d@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yes, Fedora is designed to be cutting edge, but that doesn't mean that > > decent QA should just go out the window. > > Do you think QA happens by magic? If there are features you really want to > see working then you can make a difference by participating in rawhide. > For example, I wanted to be able to use full disk encryption, so I did a lot > of testing of that feature during the rawhide cycle just ending. I provided > feedback to the anaconda and mkinitrd developers who were able to fix > problems that I ran accross. I did something similar similar when PATA disks > were going to be handled by the same system as SCSI devices. There was > actually an issue with my specific controller card that was fixed by the > time the rawhide cycle ended. I am, thank you. That's how I know that NetworkManager is scheduled to take over in F9. I also have a laptop with an AR5416 chipset that doesn't work under ath5k, and NetworkManager doesn't play well with madwifi. If I want to install F9 on that laptop, I'll either have to wait until ath5k supports my chipset (on the to do list, but not scheduled by the ath5k folks), or disable NetworkManager. Now that it's doing things like rewriting /etc/resolv.conf and bringing up the wired network configuration at boot, it's going to be a bit harder to disable. I do imagine that they'll fix the problems that it has interacting with hal and system-config-network before the release, at least. Still, I'll bet that it's going to cause some grief for a few folks at release time. I expect bleeding edge from rawhide. Releases should be held to a higher standard. > > Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of great things about Fedora, but > > it's certainly not above a certain amount of criticism. It's seemed, at > > times that this thread would have been more aptly named, "Fedora, love > > it or leave it!". > > That might actually be an appropiate phrase for Fedora. If there isn't > something you love about Fedora, it probably isn't the right distribution > for you. That phrase is a twist on an Americanism, i. e., "America, love it or leave it." It's generally applied by folks who don't like others criticizing various aspects of our country, whether it's current administration policy and activities, or embedded cultural issues. The funny thing is that it indicates that the "patriot" that's spouting the phrase doesn't much like the ideal of free speech, or the democratic process. I find that Fedora is a great platform on which to use the latest development tools and get a preview of new environments. I can't think of a better distro for that. Some folks, however have suggested that I have to buy the whole fedora philosophy (and I'm not sure that there's any real consensus on exactly what that is) if I want to remain as a fedora user. Decorum prevents me from giving the explicit response that such an idea deserves. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
