On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:29 AM, David G. Mackay <mackay_d@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 09:37 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:46:41 -0500, > > "David G. Mackay" <mackay_d@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Yes, Fedora is designed to be cutting edge, but that doesn't mean that > > > decent QA should just go out the window. > > > > Do you think QA happens by magic? If there are features you really want to > > see working then you can make a difference by participating in rawhide. > > For example, I wanted to be able to use full disk encryption, so I did a lot > > of testing of that feature during the rawhide cycle just ending. I provided > > feedback to the anaconda and mkinitrd developers who were able to fix > > problems that I ran accross. I did something similar similar when PATA disks > > were going to be handled by the same system as SCSI devices. There was > > actually an issue with my specific controller card that was fixed by the > > time the rawhide cycle ended. > > I am, thank you. That's how I know that NetworkManager is scheduled to > take over in F9. I also have a laptop with an AR5416 chipset that > doesn't work under ath5k, and NetworkManager doesn't play well with > madwifi. If I want to install F9 on that laptop, I'll either have to > wait until ath5k supports my chipset (on the to do list, but not > scheduled by the ath5k folks), or disable NetworkManager. Now that it's > doing things like rewriting /etc/resolv.conf and bringing up the wired > network configuration at boot, it's going to be a bit harder to disable. > I do imagine that they'll fix the problems that it has interacting with > hal and system-config-network before the release, at least. Still, I'll > bet that it's going to cause some grief for a few folks at release time. > > I expect bleeding edge from rawhide. Releases should be held to a > higher standard. > > > > > Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of great things about Fedora, but > > > it's certainly not above a certain amount of criticism. It's seemed, at > > > times that this thread would have been more aptly named, "Fedora, love > > > it or leave it!". > > > > That might actually be an appropiate phrase for Fedora. If there isn't > > something you love about Fedora, it probably isn't the right distribution > > for you. > > That phrase is a twist on an Americanism, i. e., "America, love it or > leave it." It's generally applied by folks who don't like others > criticizing various aspects of our country, whether it's current > administration policy and activities, or embedded cultural issues. The > funny thing is that it indicates that the "patriot" that's spouting the > phrase doesn't much like the ideal of free speech, or the democratic > process. > > I find that Fedora is a great platform on which to use the latest > development tools and get a preview of new environments. I can't think > of a better distro for that. Some folks, however have suggested that I > have to buy the whole fedora philosophy (and I'm not sure that there's > any real consensus on exactly what that is) if I want to remain as a > fedora user. Decorum prevents me from giving the explicit response that > such an idea deserves. > No! I think the spirit of Fedora is freedom and you should say what you feel because otherwise what's the point? I won't judge you for having a different view than me but I will let you know that I disagree but so what?. This is a forum for users is it not? unmoderated and I am glad that it is so! There is too much regulation/moderation/conformity in the world and certainly organization is required to run a project like Fedora but there is and should always be a place where you can voice your opinion, regardless of how unpopular it is. I did just that recently talking about KDE, some took offense at my comments and some tried to figure out what the hell I was talking about, what matters in any kind of community is that its citizens express themselves freely and without fear. Damn the silence I say. If you feel strongly about something then don't hide it. Your not doing yourself or anyone else any favors in the long run, everyone's opinion counts and it just might be yours that makes the critical difference. Certainly decorum is a good thing and some , myself included, could stand to learn a bit more about it but don't let it keep you from saying what you have to say. The only thing an intelligent being finds offensive is a communication barrier. IMHO. Max -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
