On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 19:09 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Surely the rational advice in such a case should be something like, > "Make sure you are not running the wpa_supplicant service", > with a brief account of how you can tell ("chkconfig --list"). > I didn't understand that before. > Equally, if system-config-network actually writes "ONBOOT=no" > in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-<if> > then you could simply say "Make sure ... has ONBOOT=yes". > Nor that. > > If you can figure things out, then do things your own way. If you > > want my help, then please do as I ask. I really don't see how this > > is controversial or why you seem to have taken offense. > > I'm not actually asking for your help. I will, I'm definitely a wireless newbie, only had a wireless laptop and printer since Christmas. > I would like to figure things out, > But nothing you have said in this thread has helped me to do that, > ie to understand WiFi under Fedora. > Other than the man pages, where can I find more NM documentation? > I don't think a wizard that works most of the time for most people > is really the Linux way. > Hopefully, a WiFi application should help one not only to connect > but also to understand what is happening. > Isn't that really the difference between the Linux philosophy > and Windows? > Does NM do everything itself? Or are there config files to modify/upset? Each day and thread (daily threads) on wireless networking I find useful, but are usually sparse pieces of a big puzzle. I've read Jean T's howto and the TLDP howto a second time now plus chapters fron various books but understanding of the details is slow in coming. I've abandoned the F7-F8 upgrade and done a fresh install of F8 to get a clean slate to understand how to set it up so it works. -- Regards Simon