lostson wrote: >> In my view, what is needed is a program that just deals with WiFi, >> and which tells you what is wrong if the connection fails. >> In my experience, NM and system-config-network (in its various guises) >> are both quite bad at this. >> >> > You may want to look into wi-fi radar which is here > > http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/ > > and it is in the repo's. I use it all the time and it works great for me. I do in fact use wifi-radar, and find it is one of the better wifi programs. (I run Fedora-8, and wifi-radar is available with "yum install wifi-radar", as you suggest.) I think wifi-radar and "iwlist eth1 scan" (substitute for eth1) are sort of complementary; one works with some wifi devices where the other does not. But if there is no connection, neither is much use at solving the problem. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland