On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:21:11 -0700 Karl Larsen <k5di@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I am supposed to KNOW this somehow. It's called doing your own research and thinking, Karl. Nobody ever told me how to install Livna. I ran across a few mentions of it way-back-when, did a few Google searches, read a web page or two, and started using Livna. There is an implicit assumption that you should do as much research as you can on your own before jumping up and asking questions on a mailing list like this. Nobody is here to hold your and and baby you through any procedure. Do some independent research (Google is very useful for this) and do some reading. Ask for clarifications, but only AFTER you have done this, and only if you have further questions that are not addressed by your previous reading. A lot (most, almost all) of your questions could be answered by you, yourself, independently, if you just do some research. You have an odd compulsion to continually remind us that you have a Ph.D. Karl, one of the things that you learn, the main thing that you learn, when you study for a Ph.D. is how to conduct independent research. That's the point of a Ph.D. degree! Have you really forgotten everything that you ever knew about how to conduct research and how to do independent learning? If so, then I truly feel sorry for you; it must be a terrible feeling to lose one's faculties like that and I hope I never find myself in that sort of a situation. On the other hand, if you do still remember what you learned back in the "old days at school", now is the time to apply those lessons. Do independent research, do some reading, do some thinking and try things out when you have an understanding of how they work. Don't just blindly jump off of cliffs and hope for a soft landing at the bottom -- when you don't understand enough about how something works to know what the possible consequences are, then DON'T DO IT until after you have done the research required. Think, Karl. Do the work. Do the research. Do what it takes. Then, after you have done all of that and have reached a situation where you still have some doubt, you can ask questions that are both intelligent and worth someone else's time to answer for you. "It broke. Fix it for me, mommy." That might work and may even be reasonable when you're two years old, Karl, but not now. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com