> Karl's post reads fine to me. I didn't look at his post as a "guide." > True, I haven't had my pot of coffee yet.... ;=] > > -- Mark C, Allman, PMP I am still in agreement with Tim. Karl explained nothing in that original posting despite his follow up claim that it explains more than the man pages. I do agree with Karl that the man and info pages on console.perms are poor. I just don't agree that his posting has provided any explanation. He simply provided the content of his configuration files relating to the topic with no explanation at all beyond his opening comments about changing ownership of /dev/ttyS0. What he posted may very well be helpful to someone dealing with that issue. But it's certainly not clear to me (and I consider myself to have reasonable knowledge of Linux - more in some areas of it, less in others, none yet in others). If it contained proper explanations (any explanations) I should at least have a general idea about it and if properly explained I would know how to apply this to either /dev/ttyS0 or some other device should my circumstances require it. Neither is the case. And for the record, I'm not asking you (Karl) to attempt to post something more authoritative on this issue to the listserv, unless in response to someone soliciting help on this topic. If you have some unsolicited tips, follow the example of others and put it on a site of your own and simply provide a link here for those interested in it. Jacques B.