Hi, > I was telling anyone how not to do it. Just clarifying some > misinformation (ie) NM is not tied to a desktop environment. Depends what you mean by "tied to a desktop environment". It may not be tied in any one particular desktop, gnome or KDE, but that fact that you do have to have *some* desktop running before you can use NM in my eyes means NM *is* tied to a desktop environment. Chris