Thus, Les Mikesell at Wed Oct 31 01:13:24 2007 inscribed: > Anders Karlsson wrote: [snip] >> Agreed, which is why I earlier in the thread suggested that the >> discussion would be better off on the LKML, where the kernel people >> that makes those decisions could explain it to the people arguing the >> point about this. > > No, the kernel people are and should be free to write total garbage. The > distributions shouldn't ship that to unsuspecting users, though. You are more than welcome to contribute to Fedora or the kernel. If coding is not for you, then perhaps QA or packaging is more to taste? The effort you'd put in would potentially save some unsuspecting users from the garbage that you are talking about. What I do not yet understand, and please do enlighten me, is why you are still here considering the appalling experiences you have had with Linux, Fedora etc., over what seems to be rather extensive periods of time. I admire the staying-power, as most people would have given up years ago, given the totallly disastrous experiences you seem to have had. I mean, surely you'd be contributing to and working closely with the Hurd project as the Linux kernel is such a pile of pap? >> There is a distinction to be made. When you talk about proprietary, >> closed source, drivers - then people should be aware that they not >> just may, they *will*, get strong reactions. > > I happen to love my 1st gen tivo. I suppose you'll try to tell me its a > bad thing that they exist. Not a bad thing that they exist, no. As long as they adhere to the various licenses, such as the GPL, for the components that they have incorporated into their product. There was the empeg car-stereo project as well, now that was seriously awesome, *and* they stuck to the licenses too. How about that? -- Anders Karlsson <anders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> All-Round Linux Tinkerer & RHCE