On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:14:36 -0400, Claude Jones wrote: > On Saturday September 22 2007 1:01:45 pm Beartooth wrote: >> What I >> did complain of, or try to, was and is that SELinux keeps harassing me, >> even set permissive, about stuff which I haven't the foggiest notion >> of, and which it does nothing to make clear to me. > > Have you got setroubleshoot installed, and have you opened it? It may be > what you seek - simple list of the errors, and plain English suggestions > to solve them -- it may not be perfect, but, it's helped me on a few > occasions I have got it, and I do look again again whenever I get any kind of notice (usually from a popup that goes away faster than I can read it, especially if I'm busy). I also click on that big yellow star on one panel whenever I think to. One thing I like: it lets me mark a message to be deleted, without actually deleting till I tell it to. That means I can check only for new ones, when that's what I want. In fact, I have even tried to report some of the things it tells me must be bugs. But I do not, alas!, recall reading any message there that meant anything to me. Since this is so, despite the fact that I've been running RH/F for nearly ten years, and spending a lot of time online for several before that, I concluded that I was likely not alone in my failure to spot straight up; so I posted about it, and the length of this thread appears to corroborate that. I'm sure SELinux will *become* user-friendly, perhaps already in F8; the sooner the better. It will come whenever there have been enough shocks of recognition of the form "You mean we have to explain *that*?! I thought puppies and little innocent children knew that." -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6-7; Dillo 0.8.6-3, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.18.3, Opera 9.23, Firefox 2.0.0.5 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.